You know what, Chris? I read through all of my posts and I saw the post I made about what you said, but I didn't break it down like you. I mentioned that I set up before the turn in and all I have to do is initiate lean and move my torso off with the bike.

I will add that what you mentioned was one more adjustment I made that brought my times down even further.

Apology accepted :lol:

I found it really helpful to add it at one of my reference points. When I first tried moving my 'butt off' movement back before braking I wasn't doing it consistently in the right place.

Also... it makes you realize that you can brake later and harder, because it's one less thing to worry about at turn-in. When you're about to turn in and you don't have to move your butt around a lot, there isn't anything going on... so you realize you can move your markers up a little bit, since you've taken care of the movement way back beforehand.

We need to get you down to the gap. It helps you a ton. Just so many different turns and setups through one run it's incredible and teaches you a ton.

Later and harder is not always a good thing. Your suspension has to recover more from it. Smoother is better. When you brake normally your suspension is balanced better allowing you to accelerate harder out of the turn. braking later should be more for racing, but it doesn't hurt to practice it. I guess it's all in the rider's perspective of how much later and harder it is. Later and harder for me could be normal for some people.

Don't remind me that I was supposed to go down there and couldn't :panic:
Yeah that's a good point. I think it's good to know HOW late and hard you can brake though, so you can do it if necessary.

Anyways I was just saying when you're not shifting around in the seat when you're about to turn in, you can move all your braking markers up even if you brake the same exact way.

Just a friendly reminder... those wishing to start experimenting with body positioning from "scratch" first need to build a solid foundation... and that starts from the waist UP, not the waist down. (with the exception of your toes... get on the balls of your feet! :P)

Start by relaxing your arms and your grip... you should be able to sit in the riding position with your arms at your SIDES... you should not be relying on your arms to hold up your upper body. This takes a LOT more practice than you think, especially on a bike w/ low hand controls.... This is something just about every rider out there can improve on, even at the racing level.

Second is your eyes and your chin... lead the bike into the turn with your eyes & chin by pointing them THROUGH the direction of turn before you begin to lean the bike.

Third is your shoulders.... Keeping your shoulders relatively square to the bike, lean forward a little and use your inside shoulder the same way you use your chin/eyes.... lead the bike with your inside shoulder and point it through the turn.

Last step before "haning off" is your inside butt cheek.... just weight it a little as you point your eyes, chin and shoulder into the turn. This will keep you from curving your spine and "dipping" your shoulder down instead of pointing it through.


This will get you on your way to hanging off like the pros :)

ur gonna make a nice addition to the board

:yes: Pete is da man :cheers:

Maybe we're all misunderstanding eachother but I still think this pivot around the tank thing is bullshit. Maybe just the way you guys are describing it is confusing me though...

I'm not trying to start an argument but I've been thinking about this and talking to some track folks about it.

I don't see any benefit to NOT squaring your hips to the bike. (Pridmore can do whatever he wants at that level so leave him out of it). All it's going to do is encourage bad things, like crossing up, bar pressure, not looking through the turn, not leading with your shoulder/chin, etc etc etc.... :idk:

Square the hips and shoulders, bodyline parallel to bike centerline. This is what I do, this is what I see all the pros doing. Very slight deviations from this depending on the rider and what makes them comfortable and relaxed. Maybe a larger deviation for some people (pridmore, doohan, duhamel, etc etc etc)... but the general rule of thumb is what I described... eh?

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ngs/5Large.jpg

http://www.automotophoto.com/af1/usg...gp07_alw__.jpg

Or maybe I'm just not understanding what you guys are saying????

look at you and look at stoner, you are stood straight up with your knee sticking straight out awkwardly and he is leading and down in a comfortable position, you are not in the same body position and that photo is not at a good angle to see how his hips are.

Take a look at the master at work:

http://s.harminder.home.comcast.net/...rz-2005_01.jpg

http://www.mcia.co.uk/_attachments/D...action%202.jpg