Wouldn't be the first - remember the old Cimarrons? I think those were rebadged Cavaliers. :lol

They've come a long way since then and this 4 is a 272hp.

You're bragging about moderate combined income online? :lol

For the record, you are not in the same class as Lee. Not even close.

Save your money and get the Buick Regal GS. Same motor and a lot cheaper.

i agree, i like the way that buick looks, but she still thinks its an old persons car.

at least the cads have the 'latest' styling

Don't tell me this is the Ecotec motor?

I wouldn't spend big bucks for a car that used the same engine as a cheapshit Cobalt or Saturd. :td:

Even the best 4-cyl turbos have tons of lag. Such as the GTI......I tested one and it didn't come alive until like 3000, and then it was too abrupt. Same with the WRX.

new engine design and all, not the ecotec.

the whole car was on new everything from what i understand.

Never even heard of this thing... saw one on my way to work...

http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...824025744.jpeg

Don't be surprised to see more of them. BMW went with a 2 liter 4 banger turbo making 240hp for the new 328i as well.

Lee, we were wasting some time yest. before a movie and stopped by at local CAD dealer

we both really liked the ATS, drove well, quiet, nice shifts, a little smaller inside then i had hoped. my head hit the roof in rear, and really only 2 full sized adults in the back.

we drove the V6, 321hp one. it was nice. $45,xxx

but yeah, we really liked the car

and the one we drove is prob. what we'll get if we get one. w/ the carbon fiber trim and red seats, man that thing was so "US", and i think ya;ll will really like it as well.

http://i49.tinypic.com/iy085s.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2mqstpc.jpg

i comes in some "red" or black w/ the C/F trim, while i love black cars, they are impossible to keep clean. maybe a darkish grey would look nice.

I thought we had a whole thread on the Panamera a year or so ago when it was first released.