NC Dealer doesn't think gear is necessary
 

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While I don't want to give him any free publicity, I do think he should atleast be portraying an image for new riders to look up to since he's a dealer...

Anyone know any ways to knock some sense into him?

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My favorite is still the '05 Repsol. Only $16,500! :lol:

ha ahahahahha, that's hilarious, nice sandals. I think the repsol they are selling is the same from the homepage.

I dont think its as uncommon as you may think...i know a local place here in town and while they sell gear, Ive never heard or seen them promote it in the least and most of their employees go gearless...

yeah the 16.5 repsol is funny... guess that chrome is expensive. especially since they have a regular 1krr thats a year newer for half the price...


he and i argued back and forth through email yesterday before i eventually gave up... be basically said that he prays and Jesus is is savior so he doesnt need gear since he's prepared to move on...

:idk: Maybe he's been touched by the graces of God too.

The graces of God don't help when the nurses have to scrub the asphalt out of your wounds.

I'm all for everyone wearing what they feel is appropriate gear. Sometimes I squid it, so I don't preach.

However, I think it is a poor business decision to advertise yourself as a reckless fool with bad form.

I bet he's got a pair of jesus sandals that will save him!

That's true. The graces and I are usually hanging out in a bar laughing while that's going on, (they can be super bitchy when they've had a few).

JC

I dont try to convert people to gear, if they are dumb enough to not protect themselves, one less dumbass we have to worry about on the road.

Having had the "pleasure" of holding someone's hand while the asphalt was being scrubbed out of their wounds, sans any pain medication, and then getting to care for their wounds which got infected anyway, I'm pretty sure God and her grace have little or nothing to do with the bad choices we make. :shrug:

That's guy is high as a fucking kite if he thinks he can get his listed price for ANY of those used bikes.

Same here. The local Zuk stealership doesn't offer much in the way of protection aside from helmets. And they're always pushing to sell the bigger bikes, especially to those who've never ridden. Bah.

Even the local HD store...which doesn't sell Buell BTW... :td: doesn't offer anymore in their store than a few helmets and some HD gear like leather jackets and boots.

And their employees? Gearless....

All I have to do is look at some of the pics in my files from accident scenes I have had to work to know I will always wear gear!!!! Maybe I should send him the one of the "faceless guy" poor fellow didn't even have any eyelids left. He didn't die and 30 some surgeries and two years later he still is in pain.

Hahahahahhaaahaha. I think Harley even shows their guys in leather jackets and atleast a 3/4 helmet. Granted, their leather jackets are as thin as a pube hair but still looks like they are attempting to gear up.

I've heard dealers say some dumb shit. Buddy of mine was looking for his first bike. We go into a Yamaha dealer wanting to look into the FZ6. He talked to the sales guy and he then made a joke about the R1 and the guy says "You'd be fine on it. Just be easy on the throttle".

I also knew one kid who went to a dealership looking at an R6 for his first motorcycle. Not necesarrily a good first bike but the guy convinced him to get a R1 because he'd become bored with the power of a 600. He joined a forum after he got it and said "I think I fucked up" but was stuck with it cause he was upside down. From last I heard he has behaved himself on it and is doing okay.

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:D :D For that kind of money, you would have thought it would come with a chrome chain and grips. :sorry:

Our Zuk dealership does that. There's this one douche who used to work there I gave hell over it because he sold a newbie rider, who'd never ridden in his life, a brand new '05 GSXR1000. The guy didn't have it a week before he killed himself on it. When I went to the dealership with my ex hubby to pick up some stuff for his bike, I asked Mr. Douche who sold the guy the bike. He kind of bowed his head and said he did. I asked him if his extra commission was worth the guy's life. A few more choice words were said (I sometimes can't keep my mouth shut). Mr. Douche quit there shortly after.

Thats some bullshit Rogue, but our local place does the same shit. "Dont get that measly 600, youll get bored, buy this REPSOL, it soooo much better!"

Knew one kid did that, wrecked within 3 weeks, rebuilt the bike, wrecked again shortly after, breaking his thigh bone and a few ribs and had to be lifeflighted...but he "knew" how to ride...

I'll never forget a salesman ridiculing me for not learning to wheelie my bike, he was all impressed his mom had bought one for him and he could wheelie within a few weeks, and gawd I was such a loser for not wanting to do the same. I just looked at him. I think he was trying to flirt. Epic fail. He wrecked too, then quit riding.:idk:

Mr. Douche could ride. But what made him a douche was he rode like a complete ass. IMO, every aspect of riding has a time and a place. Doing wheelies at 90+mph down a 45mph busy street is not not the time and place for it. I love how he never mentions his wrecks (from stunting) he's had to his victims until he sells them a bike. Even more ironic is a couple of weeks before he sold the poor guy the 1000, he crashed a brand new 600 that wasn't even his. It was just sold and he was taking it for a test ride. Went too hot into a curve, hit some gravel and got nice road rash for his troubles as well as totaling a brand new bike. Come to think of it, that may have been why he quit. Between owing money on a bike he crashed out of carelessness that wasn't his and being somewhat of a cause to a person's death.....

I think your guy was flirting and trying to show out. :lol: I don't know about you, but that's the biggest turn off. :td:

Hey girls...I can wheelie for ya if ya like. Mom got me this crap 600 but in a few weeks when I sell my Xbox I am trading it in for an R1. Did I mention I'm fast:diitb:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your bored on a 600 your not doing it right!

Oh and if your waiting for salesman to grow a conscience:sorry:Different breed altogether.

He just thought that since he could get it up you'd be interested...

I prefer dragging knees over wheelies... everyone knows chicks like a man who goes down

Only too true! :wink: We are talking about draggin knee right?! :lol:

I can wheelie my own, thankyouverymuch. I just don't like to because it scares me. :panic: :lol:

I've said it once before and I'll say it again. I HATE salesmen! Although Eric is the exception to the rule. :lol:

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BOOM! New sig line! Thanks!

I could not agree more.....Shorts & Sandals, No Jacket, No Gloves, riding the Gap...he's in for a painful awakening should he go down and survive...God or no God, its going to hurt.

WTF are they thinking? Its not a 1 of a kind, former Miguel Duhamel race bike that has only 4 laps on it...ITS A USED, OFF THE RACK BIKE. Sadly, some new squid paying with Mommy's trust fund money will be convinced its the only one out there and the deal of the century. Sad.

530 chain, nothing else high performance other than what the bike came with, a ton of overweight chrome.....thanks but no thanks. They are not even sure how many miles are on the bike when you call.

I would not want to give one cent to a place like this!

Okay honest question,would you all be so up in arms if the guy had been on a Rebel 250? Be honest. The reason I ask is that it doesn't look like the guy is exactly flying or anything in the pics. A slow cruise is a slow cruise regardless of what bike you are on...

Hey they could be those "Moto-Sandles" from India...or something....:sorry:

And asphalt is harder than your skin, regardless of what bike you're on.

But hey, as long as you're going slow, it won't hurt when you hit the ground, right? :lol:

JC

Thanks Rogue ;)

I started selling bikes in June of last year, and I can't tell y'all the number of 18-20 year olds that have never ridden that have come in wanting a liter bike because the 600's are "too slow". I just give them a look and say "what, 160mph is too slow for ya? How quick do you want to die?"

I will not ever try to upsell someone on a bike for a few dollars more commission if I don't think they're skilled enough to handle it. I usually try to turn the newbs to the Ninja 250, 500 or 650 or at best a ZZR (still have one left) or R6S.

Had a guy in the other week telling me his girlfriend needed a liter bike to keep up with him on his "Busa" in the curves. I told him I'd run him on any 600 in the curves for the title to his bike and he thought I was crazy :idk: This guy had to be 30 or so too, but some people have no clue.

Some people have no scruples and no concious, hell if I was trying to get rich I sure wouldn't be selling bikes for a living, and won't be long anyway with the economy heading where its going. $10 or $100 dollars on one sale isn't worth it to me. I just wish our owner would stock more gear, we've got very little in stock so it's kinda hard to push it though I do tell them to go somewhere if they don't order it from us. I do what I can but I sleep well at night.

i looked everywhere but i couldnt find a fuck so i cant really give one :idk:

I just learned to not talk about it. Unless i care about the person, they are close to me...

Otherwise, I simply move on about my day. I wear gear, so I lead by example I guess.

$16.5k for Repsol RR... those went for $11K new I think... what a bunch of tools. They'll be out of business soon.

Glad to be of service...


And ladies... If you'd need servicing too... oh wait... thats right we were supposed to be talking about knee dragging... hmmm better PM me

Hmm and you're close enough to make a weekend of it :whistle:

I say live and let die. We're all adults, so do whatever you wanna do. Besides, if the squids get knocked off, there'll be more curb squirrels left for me.

I agree, not wearing gear is not illegal. If it isn't someone you care about, who gives a fuck if they are retarded and hurt themselves.

But if you can't point and laugh at retarded people, what's the sense in going on living?

it was more so because he is a dealer, he's giving the example to everyone that gear isn't needed. I personally don't care if he wears it or not..

I just think he's setting a poor example for a sport that has so many negative stereotypes already

Yep ;)

Me too. Most times I don't care if you wear gear or not. Your skin, your body, your decision.

However, for a dealer/salesmen to do it is like the same old bitch we have with cops when they run a red light just to get through it, not wear their seatbelts, park where there's no parking, etc :idk:

thats perfectly acceptable, pointing and laughing is a must, me getting upset cause someone doesn't advertise gear isn't much of a concern though.

latest and greatest 4yo bike. laugh worthy

well looks like i got through to him some... there's a small disclaimer under the pics now. its not a victory, but close

Congratulations! You've imposed your own brand of Nazism on another human being! Hurray!

Well said. :whistle:

I don't know if you're serious on not but I really don't feel that Dealers or any kind of salesmen should be considered "role models" it's ridiculous. That would be like getting mad at a car dealer that shows people driving without seatbelts (in a state where that's legal of course). Oh my GOD,I saw a commercial the other day for a bicycle shop that showed people riding bikes WITHOUT helmets,elbow guards,knee guards etc! Something has to be done!!!! There was also an ad for Office Max where the clerk had pens in his pocket......without a POCKET PROTECTOR!!!! Oh the humanity!!!!!

You know....I'm sorta with you on this. There's no law that says you can't wear tshirt, shorts, and sandals. Is it smart...of course not...but who cares. We are all adults. We make our own decisions. If these numbskulls want to roll in that attire then it's their choice. I dont give a fuck what they wear.

I wear what I want to wear, you wear what you want to wear, life goes on.

there's no law about it... but what about the overall image of the sportbike community. if it starts off with the dealerships promoting irresponsible behavior and riding habits, what chance to safe responsible riders have in a society that already has us labeled as delinquents.

So you approve of a dealer selling a Busa or a liter sport bike to a first time rider who may or may not have his MC license? there's not a law against it... but common sense would urge against it.

I mean I'm sorry... but my insurance rates are high enough for the simple fact that I'm part of a so called statistic because of dipshits who probably should never be on bikes to begin with. But since no one is holding any sort of responsibility things just continue to fall in a downward spiral...

Do I think an MC license should be required to buy a bike... YES

Do I think dealerships who sell to unlicensed riders should be fined, etc...YES

Do I think that the US should use a tiered licensing system similar if not identical to many European countries... YES...


Is that being a Nazi? NO...

Its trying to create better, safer, more responsible riders.

only people I care about. one of my friends and his girlfriend are both college educated, hell, she is a doctor but they still go out and ride their HD with little to no gear on. in the summer, sunscreen is the gear of choice. just don't understand it. when he was riding a sportbike he wore gear. she just says that she trust his riding. don't matter that there are idiots out there...yada, yada, yada you guys know the rest of it.

I don't think dealers should sell newbs those bikes either, but they do...and often. If a kid walks in and wants a ninja 250 most dealers will try to sell him the zx14. Why? Because it's more money, more commission, more cash in his pocket.

But if a newb is dumb enough to buy it then fuck 'em.

you're one of the few.

one sales guy wanted the dealership to find someone that would loan to higher risk people. WTF? lets sell something to someone that can't afford it. wait, that's what they did in the real estate industry. worked for them.

I've seen them upsell to a complete idiot and see the bike come back wadded up. but I've also seen a 250 come back in the same condition lol some people just shouldn't ride.

for the most part I absolutely hate salespeople. I don't even trust that the name they gave me is the right one.

:rofl: Ironically enough, I did have a salesperson at a local dealer try to sell me what he thought was a Kawi, and it was a Suzuki...but I guess the blaring brand logos werent enough of a clue for him!

Dragging knee through the dragon is HORRIBLE for our image.


I personally don't give two shits if you do it. Why would you care if I don't wear gear?

What it boils down to is YOU pushing your beliefs on somebody else. I don't agree with it. And you'll never change my mind. I always believe in choice.

Your image is unimportant to me. I don't care if my actions effect you anymore than your actions effect me.

And don't even pretend that everytime you're doing three times the speed limit nobody is around to see it and you're the only one you can hurt...

Quit being a hypocrite Actually, don't quit being a hypocrite. Just stop trying to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.. It's ultimately none of your business.

so why not encourage the dealers to try to have some sort of mentoring role towards new riders. A newb is a newb... hence the term... newb... they'll believe whatever the dealer tells them because they're the so called authority. if the dealer is feading the newbs bad info. it isn't the newbs fault..

Like Eric said... newbs don't know any better... atleast he's doing the right thing and trying to talk some sense into them

PS. Your body is over the double yellow in your av, and I doubt you're following the speed limit..

That pretty much sums it up. Specifically that I dont care what you do anymore than you care what I do.

Encourage all you want...but you and I both know dealers are in the business of making money. Thats the bottom line here. What is gonna put more money in their pocket...mentoring or selling an 11,000 dollar bike?

I don't see how I'm a hypocrite here... if I was wearing a tshirt and shorts and sandals on a bike and saying people should wear gear.. then yes...

but not in this case. ultimately yeah, its each riders choice whether or not they want excessive road rash. and ya know what.. fine.. more power to them. I'm just saying from the stand point of a new rider, the images portrayed on that dealers website say that gear just isn't needed.. and the attitude of the owner says the same thing.

i just don't understand why anyone would support such ignorance

Because, it should be up to the licensing system and the individual. Not the dealer.

Dealers are out to make money. That's their business. They sell motorcycles. They're not there to decide whether or not somebody is "worthy" of owning said motorcycle.

Because you call it ignorance doesn't make it so.. :idk: It's your opinion. nothing more, nothing less..

Riding gear is better than not riding gear. but, if you didn't ride the motorcycle to begin with that would be the safest course of action wouldn't it?


You're right. Hypocrite was the wrong word..

if it goes to licensing then you'd all bitch about the government trying to take your choice away...

gear is about education.. not licensing...
hell, i've got a choice here in texas to not wear a helmet. I've even got the extra endorsement that makes it perfectly legal for me to ride without a lid... but i still wear it every time my bike leaves my driveway.

Keyword= YOU

I'm with you on this. Until it's a law it won't happen. And when it is law everyone will bitch about the government having too much control.

I also have a choice as to wear a helmet or not. I wear a helmet, riding pants, jacket, riding boots, and gloves EVERY time I get on the bike. Thats my choice. I'd like to be protected if I crash....which I have, and walked away from with a few scuffs on my leathers.


It's all about choice. The shop owners have a choice. They choose to portray themselves as gearless jabrones who sell over priced bikes.

I personally feel like you should wear full gear every time you leave the garage. I have done the t-shirt thing before, but I think I and everyone else who does it is asking to be disfigured and crippled. That being said, I'm against helmet and seatbelt laws. If you're a grown man you have the right to make your choices. If they bite you in the ass, that's your problem. And don't give me that shit about insurance rates rising, the insurance industry will fuck you no matter what, safety gear will not affect the depth and savagery of their reaming one way or the other.

I go to the shop I go to because they actually will try to counsel riders on which bike to buy. They're not overt about it or insistent, but they will make suggestions. When I was buying my first bike they steered me towards a model I could handle. I wanted the next bigger class and bought that, but I've ridden what was recommended and they were right, it does fit me better without the adjustments I've had to do to mine. They always recommend gear and will give discounts to new riders along with a bike purchase. Their employees don't always ride in full gear but they at least wear boots, pants and gloves.

Whenever I get a new rider interested in a bike I always talk to them about gear first, riding later. If you go down in your gear, you'll probably be able to ride again. If you go down bare you might not. Why risk it?

oh.. ok.. so i get it.. since he's a dealer and is potentially making an impression on other riders its ok to just let him do whatever he wants...

but the Yut UGGhhh douchebag stunter... he needs to be straightened out..

i get it

Okay,now what the fuck does that have to do with the dealer running an ad showing a guy on a slow cruise not wearing gear? Do you really think that the average non-rider looked at that ad and said,"Oh my God look at that delinquent riding without proper gear!" Get the fuck out of here with that bull shit! I'd be with you somewhat if the ad had the guy cracking wheelies down the freeway.

Where in that dealer's ad does it say that he "pushes" larger displacement bikes on newbs? Where in that ad does it say that this dealer will sell bikes to guys without licenses? Who said ANY fucking thing about being against a "tiered licensing system"? All this guy did was take some video of a guy cruising along on a CBR and YOU have started a crusade! If you want to talk about "setting a bad example" how about the fucktards that run the gap at 2-5 times the posted speed limit? Dragging knees on public roads. What kind of public relations is that? You're obviously one of these people who seem to think that the laws YOU break are ok because you are special,you have the required skills and experience the rest of us "squids" lack. Or are you one of these guys who claim the they NEVER break the speed limit on the road? Whatever!

I don't see what everyone's panties are in such a wad about. The picture does have a disclaimer under it.. :lmao:

Be sure and SUITE your ability!!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao: :lmao: Can't make this stuff up!

"DISCLAIMER: Ride at your own risk and always wear the appropriate riding gear to suite your ability, laws and riding circumstances."

Oh geez, it was bad enough in the ad, now he's done it in the disclaimer??!! :lol: I want to go on a crusade against bad spelling and improper word form usage!

And using too much punctuation to make a point!!!!

Whew! I thought Momma was gonna spank there for a minute when I saw you name in the replies.....

:rofl: Thats good! Points for making me laugh today!

As long as ya'll play mostly nice, Momma wont hand out corporal punishment! :wink: