5.0 Mustang GT throws a beating to Camaro and Challenger
 

They forgot the which one will give you a bigger penis competition.

*yawn. Call me when one of them weighs 3k

Meh. One p.o.s. "muscle car" beat out two others. BFD.

Its actually kinda old news, Mustang won Car and Driver and Road and Track shoot outs...If they think the 4.6 was hard to beat i said, wait till they get ahold of the 5.0.

First comparison I've seen with the new 5.0...interesting.

Still want a Camaro!

I really like the looks of it...at least from the front.

The rear took a little getting used to. I don't like the rear of the Mustang at all...maybe it will grow on me. The SRT looks pretty decent I think.

I just can't believe how heavy these cars are getting...not to mention pushing $40k...yikes !!

Really. You'd think with all the space age plastics, thin sheet metal, and modern design it would weigh less. You have aluminum blocks, magnesium and plastic covers and manifolds, unibody steel and aluminum chassis. Why that heavy? Paul any clue?

bulkheads to make the body stiffer, tons of airbags, 20" wheels and tires, and loads of electronic gadgets nobody needs

because they are half again the size they used to be?

The GT is a very nice car but for $40K? I'll take a G37 coupe. I know, different style car but that's how I'd roll.

500lbs+ of sound proofing in whats supposed to be an enthusiast car

$40K?? How often is a GT going to sell for $40K? It starts somewhere in the 20's, so I doubt too many people are going to option it up to $40K.

A G37 isn't worth $40K either. For that kind of money I'd want a BMW.

Eh, I doubt that adds more than 100-150 lbs

Yes but "it starts somewhere in the 20's"...you'd be rocking this engine...

3.7L 4V Ti-VCT V6 Engine

and NOT the 5.0 and that's OUT as far as I'm concerned. :lol:

Motor Trend listed the base price for the GT as $30,495 and the as tested price for the car they used was given as $39,755.

That's hilarious.

If you think that is funny the $43,700 base and $46,700 as tested prices for the Challenger SRT-8 should really have you rolling.:lol:

A 400+ Hp coupe with good handling that does runs to 60 in 4.4 seconds and the quarter mile in 12.7 sec @ 111.3 while occasionally pulling .97g on the skidpad is definitely a rip off at anything over 30K.

That shit should be priced at 20K.

Yeah I've never understood that one. I could probably get a Vette for that price.

Its chassis and engines are shared with many other Ford products.........So it's cheap to build. Ford is just being greedy.

Also, the ultimate reason why you shouldn't pay a lot for this car........The rental lots will be stuffed with 'em

As an enthusiast I would love to have 412 ponies just cause. A 6 spd to row, some real grippy tires and a V8 snarl.
BUT...Since bike rock and all i need from a sports car is rainy day transportion the V6 engines will do. I still get to row the box, 300 hp is more than my 350Z had or any of my 80s V8 coupes had, and gets better mileage all for 8-10K less and lower insurance. With the money i save i can afford a sport bike andtrack time. What could be better...

How much lighter is the V6 than the GT? Are both engines aluminum block?

psssssst! Drop a terminator drive train in a 79' fairmont. Whole thing would only maybe run 15k and would kill practically anything on the road

I don't know if I would call it greedy.:shrug:

Cars like this (the ones people want) are where a company like Ford needs to make their money. It also helps to make up for all the Focus shitboxes they practically have to give away to offset the CAFE hit the company takes selling V8 cars that drag their fleet average down. CAFE standards are also the reason why manufacturers make so many of the SUVs and crossovers you seem to dislike.

There is a lot of hinky math that goes in to the calculation but the baseline is this year a car needs to get 27.5 mpg combined to be CAFE "neutral" while an SUV/crossover only needs to get 23.5 mpg combined to have the same effect. If the math actually made sense for every current V8 Mustang (19mpg combined) Ford sold they would have to sell 17 Focuses (28mpg combined) to be CAFE neutral. The number is less than that but it is still a lot of Focuses Ford has to move. This is also the reason Dodge screwed around with the dimensions of the Magnum so it was classified as a light truck instead of a passenger car.

If they didn't sell as many Mustangs, they wouldn't have to sell as many Focuses. Chicken and egg :shrug:

How about a better strategy, improve the quality & desirability of the Focus, so that it can command a higher price?

How are they being forced to make SUVs/crossovers?

How would you propose to sell less Mustangs? Perhaps by building fewer and selling them for a lot? That doesn't sound like greed, it sounds like good business.

I said it was the reason why they make so many. I didn't say they were forced to do so. It only makes sense to build large vehicles so they are classified as light trucks. As I already mentioned this is what Dodge did with the Magnum and it is also what Ford did with the Flex.

Been there done that, and cheaper I might add. Ford Fairmont was also know as the Lincoln Zephyr, they cage out real light and a 351 makes them go fast. We called it the Zipper. Also done Vegas, Novas, GM F bodies, Mustangs and lite trucks. I am done building street sweepers, I want a warranty and creature comforts and to build race bikes.

You said the Mustang makes up for the losses they take on Focuses. How about building a small car people are willing to pay a good price for? Until America does that, it will always be caught in this trap.

well if you want creature comforts you can use a chrysler 5th ave :lol:

They do and are quite capable.
Until all the assholes start saying how "They would never pay that much for a Ford"

The Fiesta is on its way and if they use quality materials on the inside it should be a good seller....
Upcoming Focus looks really good.
Fusion is doing well.

Then you have the Taurus which is a great car for a good price, you can opt for a wannabe A8 in the SHO if you have the cash and need a big roomy car with balls.

Mustang has always done well and now with the 3.7 and the 5.0 what left is there to complain about? Independent rear suspension that most people won't notice is missing?

Transit Connect is a godsend to lot of business owners out there.

The verdict isn't in yet on the new Focus and Fiesta. Haven't seen any road tests on them yet. As for the one that's still on dealer lots, it could be described as crap compared to the Civic or Mazda 3. All of America's small cars have always been that way. Proof of this is dictated by the fact that domestic small cars not only have a lower MSRP, but are also forced to give large cash-backs to convince anyone to buy. Also, how many Civics do you see at rental car lots? None, because Honda can sell as many as it wants to normal consumers.

I would like domestic manufacturers to do so but for whatever reasons they can't or won't. Even if they could build such a car there is no guarantee Americans will be willing to pay "a good price" for them. Say Ford can build a car equal to a Civic in every way and sell it for the same price as a Civic. Honda still has a much better reputation among consumers than Ford and is more likely to get the majority of those dollars.

ETA: I just saw you used the Civic in your most recent reply. They are the standard and Ford would have to do better for the same price or less to have a hope at winning the consumer's dollars. I don't know if that is possible, and even if it is I don't know if Ford (or any of the "domestics") is capable.

LOL, by creature comforts I meant a good defroster, A/C, electric windows, front glass uncracked by unibody flex. All the stuff that my 83 Firebird used to have but were sacrificed in the lo buck hot rod rebuild. You know, some class.

V6 model throws a beatin as well
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/07/i...nd-chevy-cama/

rich corinthian leather has class, ricardo told me :lol:

Available on Laser XT as well, with hand-pumped air bolsters.

not to mention a kickass led digi dash and computerized voice prompts

Dah plane! Dah plane!

13.9 in the quarter, .91 on the skid, and great mileage! sign me up!

They do say its a peaky engine and you gotta keep it over 3K if you wanna play. Its a screamer

Screamers are more fun!

Anything's better than the old 3.8 from the 90's, which ran out of breath and started shaking at only 4K

The 3.8 was always a POS. Its up there with the cologne V6 they had during the 80's.
Seemed designed for a short miserable life.

As for running out of breath @4K, my Yoter 2.4 does that. From 4-redline, it's just noise. Shakey too but Toyota saw fit to install uber engine mounts and insulation to hide it.

Not a new one. Since they are not comparing used cars, your argument is retarded.

Maybe not that, but I would bet the wiring for all the electronics weighs close to 500lbs.

then buy a 2010 GT. 315hp is more than enough, plus decent low down torque, optional 3.73 gears, and they are selling for $25K new right now.

Bargain.

A base Corvette coupe is only $2k more expensive than the as tested price of the Challenger.

And the base challenger is $23460. what's your point?

Gonna compare a base model sports car to a top of the line pony car? I would guess that with the number of Camaro SS', SRT8 chargers and Mustang GTs compared to vettes I see, they are rarely cross shopped.

The post by Homeslice that he "could probably get a Vette for that price" was in response to my posting the as tested prices for the Mustang and the Challenger. You called that statement "retarded". The fact is that you can get a brand spanking new Corvette for about $2k more ($1k more with the cashback Chevy is currently running on the vette) than the as tested price of the Challenger. My point is Homeslice's statement is completely reasonable.

a 4k car in the ninties on the skid sounds hokey to me. Whats the section on those tires?

And the base SRT8 is $43,700. Please tell me why that's worth $20,000 more than a regular Challenger. The only difference is different powertrain, wheels, tires, brakes, suspension. While those ARE substantial differences, they're not worth an additonal $20,000, especially when the original car was only worth $23,000. Does the Camaro double in price between the base model and the SS? No.

The only reason Dodge was able to get away with such a high price was because of the built-up expectation associated with bringing back the Challenger name.

[QUOTE=Dave;359565]a 4k car in the ninties on the skid sounds hokey to me. Whats the section on those tires?[/QUOTE

The Mustang is 'only' about 3400 lbs and comes with optional 18 in Pirelli P zeros, dunno the profile...

Eagle F1 SuperCar G:2s in sizes P265/40ZR19 and P285/35ZR20.
From one source for the 2011 GT Coupe.

235/50-18 and 245/45-19 From another source.

Wow if true that's not bad at all...actually pretty darn good. I didn't know this.

That's the magazine test result for the 2011 V6. Could do what someone else mentioned and steal a 2010 GT or get about equivalent performance with the 11 V6. I can deal with, ahem, the 'low spec' performance to save money. If I wanna go FAST, I have 2 bikes.

Comparing a top of the line challenger to a base model vette is not a fair comparison. When was the last time you saw a stripper vette on a dealer lot? Compare the SRT8 to the Z06.

either way, I doubt these cars will be cross shopped, since one is a 4 seater family car with decent utility and performance, and one is a 2 seat sports car.

I do agree the SRT8(and the GT500 for that matter) is overpriced, but the Mustang is still a bargain, in v8 or v6 guise.

Personally, I want a 2010, and a Kenne Bell supercharger. 400+rwhp for less than the new 5.0.

Not a bad way to go at all.

I agree the Challenger isn't the same type of car as a Vette..........I'm just saying it's something I personally would buy. Also, I can guarantee it costs more to build a Vette than to build a Challenger...

Base Corvette vs. Z06 or ZR1
Mercede (base model of any class) vs AMG models.
BMW 330 vs BMW M3
Mitsubishi Lancer vs EVO
Subbie Imprezza vs Imprezza STI

Maybe, but as far as I know those cars have more mods than the SRT8 does.

different powertrain,
wheels,
tires,
brakes,
suspension.

:lol:

Just like the SRT8. lol

Except those other cars have much different bodywork, seats, instruments, etc

I'm sorry but go to their website and count all the differences, there isn't as much diff. between a challenger and srt8 versus a lancer and an evo

Goddamn it this thread is about Mustangs!! It's like we're arguing the diff between whole milk, 2 pct, and skim. Get with the now!

The new Mustang looks twice as good as the previous model IMO. I really like what they did with the rear end.

It's not just styling. I have sat in all three. The Dodge is a 2 door sedan, the Camaro is a pony car caricature, the Mustang is a pony car. Other than the back seats, vestigial as they are, it feels like my old 350 Z. A real sporting car.

http://www.mustangrtr.com/

http://www.mustangrtr.com/rtr-c/

If you wanna blow a wallet full on a pony car...go big.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g?t=1270861579

your siggy, thats prof farnsworth from futurama correct?

Yeah...that quote made me shoot rum out my nose and my wife peed her pants laughing at me.

its def a memorable line :lol:

The question is. Will it blow you?

I bet it will get you blown...:boobs:

Nice little vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Yxf55AWeA

I drive a 2000 Nissan Maxima. the video has an 02 Maxima but they are the same car. Now its got a 3.0 V6 motor in it and it can smoke this Mustang. True the Stang got a bad start but the Maxima is already leading by more than a car length. Now personally I have raced several cars on the interstate starting from a 20 and 30 roll as in Mustangs, Corvettes, VR6 Turbo Jetta,Cadillac CTS and a Turbo SRT4. Guess what my Maxima pulled them all. Im not impressed with any sports car if it can be beat by my full size sedan. Now the Quarter time of the 5.0 may be better than my Maxima but from a roll it would be a much closer race. and just think of the engine in that Maxima being in a smaller car. what then. I would take off 2 secs easy if the car weighed a grand less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN1THL-QcVo

:lol

If your car is stock I call BS.

Maybe you're talking about older Vettes or a regular Neon with an SRT hood and wing ? :lol:

Don't get me wrong...I like the Maxima...great car but my little SRT will walk it from ANY speed and well my Vette isn't stock so they would probably arrest me for bullying if I sic'd it on the Maxima so we won't even go in to that. Your Maxima...again...if stock...will not pull a C5 or C6 base Vette.

You only have 222 flywheel HP stock. My SRT put that down at the wheels...stock.

I'm just going by what you said...from a roll. Both of my cars are stronger from a roll than they are from a dig...due to wheelspin...a Maxima from 2000 in stock form wouldn't have a chance...plain and simple. :idk:

i have a 3.0 that would clean his clock :lol:

Now I won't argue that point. :rofl:

You may be arrested for bullying too. :lol: :lol:

i 'only' have 270/210 wheel. How could i possibly bully with that :lmao:

Sandbagger :rofl:

Of course for all I know the Maxima has pulled one of them from a roll too. :lol: :lol:

hey hey now those numbers are completely accurate. They just dont take into account my weight or the efficiency of the vtec powerband ;)

I started to reply to your last post "Well you have one of those "magic Honda's" but thought...naaa...he might get upset and start the slinging. :lol:

First off, roll racing is for fags.
Take it to the drag strip. I bet you would have a hard time getting a 14.9

The only way your car would beat any of those cars, is if you have an auto trans that kicks down, and they stay in O/D.(BTW, CTSs are balls slow, unless they are a V model)

It kind of reminds me of all the guys on 600s who think they can keep up to the bus, but I rarely go over 6000rpm on the street.

:wtfru:

no slinging needed. No magic either. Its just two cam profiles on a single cam. Nothing more nothing less. I never understood why so few people truly understood what the system was and how it works.

It was *sarcasm*...being that the NSX is different from any other Honda/Acura on the street. I was always surprised that there were so many people that didn't even know what an NSX was and then were surprised when they found out it's from Honda/Acura. That's why I started not to post the *magic* comment...as well as not wanting to start any crap since it was just a BS post anyways. :lol:

lol gotcha. Yeah ive heard camaro and corvette before. Think it was the black roof. Also heard a guy ask why i didnt buy a viper, countered that by asking if he knew anyone who could put up with one on a day to day basis

:lol: I remember way back in the 80's I was into Honda CRX's and ended up owning 4 of them. A friend from West Virginia had some relatives down for a NASCAR race that all worked in coal mines. I came driving up in my CRX that was lowered...aftermarket wheels...and dark tinted windows. One of them happened to look out of the window about the time I rolled up and yelled downstairs "What the he11 is that in the driveway...looks like somebody cut the front off of a GD missile" !! :rofl: :rofl:

When the guy found out it was a Honda...I might as well have been a communist. :lol: He owned a Monte Carlo...yep been in the coal mine awhile have we ? :lol:

lmao. When i was big into turbo daytonas they used to get it confused and try to say it was a mitsubishi. Id always pop the hood and tell em id give them 50 bucks if they could find the three diamonds anywhere on it

And then you'd get the "why didn't you buy a real car (Mustang/Camaro) instead of that 4-cylinder shit"