2012 Camaro ZL1 550 HP Supercharged
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still weighs 4000 pounds. still the size of a truck. still ugly. wasnt special looking enough to catch my eye at the auto show past the regular camaro
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$50K and the best they can do is a plastic grill that costs 47 cents?
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Seriously though, those power to weight ratios are hardly impressive and when you add in the craptastic gas mileage... Well, there are several cars made in Japan that can crush those numbers at almost half that cost and still deliver decent gas mileage. |
Never liked V8's all that much........Too much noise making everyone know what you're up to.......And there's always a half-second delay after you blip the throttle before it revs up..... not to mention the throttle springs are usually way too stiff
Put a blown six in it, cut 800 lbs, and give me some windows I can actually see out of, and I might be interested. |
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i still would rather have my car...
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No interior shots, but it's GM so I figure it's safe to assume the dash and console components will still be Playskool quality for $50k.
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I'll take a CTS-V instead.
Same basic motor, waaay better looking and 4 doors. |
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ditto on that!!!!! in coupe or wagon. |
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Fit, finish, and materials really don't get distinctly better as the price tag goes up. (this isn't universally true, mind you, but not far from it) |
I'll just keep my old 2002 car that's long been paid for...similar power and close to 1000 lbs. less.
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Interior looks OK, but it's sad when a base-model Civic has more side-support in the seats. How are you going to do any high-performance driving when you're swimming in your seat?
And I wonder if that oil pressure gauge actually reacts to changing RPM & temperature like it's supposed to, or does it just stay in a "normal" range all the time to prevent clueless people from getting scared. |
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That's why I like the headsup display that I have in the Vette which also helps you see your speed instantly when the popo pops up from over the hill or around the corner. :lol The front of the Camaro looks decent I think...not too crazy about the back of it and yes 4,000 lbs. is a lot. |
Its nice that they offer it. They finally have an answer for the Mustang GT500.
Unfortunately, the Camaro looks like 'that' but that is one hell of a drivetrain. |
^^^^True...and I didn't even think of that comparison.^^^^
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I can certainly understand reservations about the interior but complaints about the price, weight, and fuel economy of this car are ridiculous to me. This car should have similar interior size and performance to the BMW M6 but will cost half as much, have more power, weigh the same (or less), and get similar (or better) fuel economy. The Camaro should also hold up to the similarly priced (and previously mentioned) GT500 Mustang. I believe both the GT500 and the M6 have sold pretty well.
All the complaints about this ZL1 makes me think there are significantly better options available, but I can't come up with any.:shrug: |
Well, unlike the M6, it isn't a luxury vehicle.......so why does it need to weigh that much?
And btw I think the M6 is overweight as well. Having a big engine doesn't necessarily require a heavy car to go with it. Even an engine like that probably weighs only, what, 200-400 lbs? |
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"I'm spending how much money for THIS interior?" |
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For what you are talking about in a 2+2 coupe the Lotus Evora fits. You get the lightness (by around 1000lbs) and the fuel economy, but it costs a hell of a lot more, the interior makes the Camaro look like a Maybach, and you get the engine from a Camry. The LS9 is over 500 lbs dry from what I have read. The supercharger, intercooler, and additional plumbing leave their mark in that respect. Quote:
Either way, if someone wants a very high performance 2+2 they can get this Camaro, the GT500 (with similar interior issues), or they are spending a ton more money. Really the only car that fixes all the complaints people have expressed about this Camaro is a 911 Turbo. The complaints I've heard are compromises GM had to make. The 911 shows that while those compromises can be avoided it costs a ton to do so. |
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Mustang interiors are supposed to pretty nice nowadays. Camaro has a lot of awkward angles and it definitely a car that polarizes |
Also gm has had some fairly crappy interiors over the years, and while the pictures of the show model are usually better than thee final product. Anyway gm generally sucks.
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Z wants to get a camaro convert n a few yrs, I have no prob w that. I'd rather get an ol skool hot rod first
http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../1d37f2b695485 She's wanted 1 for a few yrs now, it's been about 8-9 yrs sine her '93 z28 was stolen |
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Yeah didn't notice the 50k pricetag, but it is competing with the GT500. I like the Camaro looks outside alot, though the interior is just OK. Def. has some character unlike ALL japanese shizit. This is a quarter mile car that handles OK...it is no Audi R8 and it's target audience isn't meant to be, though they did up the suspension pretty well as with the driveline. |
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Ooooh. Hey Dave, check out the '66 Riv :phat: http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../494876h957430 |
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that 70' charger is pure sex. needs a 4spd though |
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I use a spread-bore mechanical secondary carb, and careful pump shot tuning to get throttle response that's nearly instantaneous. |
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Well my V8 surely doesn't hesitate :lol: and didn't even when it was stock. :idk: The interior could be better for sure but really isn't that bad and besides...I bought it for the looks which I like...the power to weight...the handling...and the stopping power and it was well worth the money in all of those areas back in 2002. With modifications I have improved it and it's still a blast to drive. The sound of the exhaust in itself is intoxicating imho.
The car has never been back to the dealership either. Most GM service departments do suck. I've heard horror story after horror story about dealing with them. |
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I think the big issue with the the 50K Camaro is the fact the standard Corvette is available at the same price point and will likely offer comparable if not superior performance.
That being said I hope GM meets or exceeds their sales targets |
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None of the V8's I've driven felt like they were as "connected" to the throttle as a good 4-cylinder is. Yeah I know, how a car performs is more important than how it feels when you blip the gas, but I grew up driving 4's so that's the type of feeling I prefer. |
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don't you have to get the Z06 vette to get this
"Magnetic Ride Control suspension" |
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I put a VDO mechanical oil pressure gauge on my Rabbit GTI (it didn't have a sensor, you had to hook up an oil hose to the back of it), and that thing was awesome how it responded. At startup it would stay pretty high for awhile, since cold oil is thicker......But after a few minutes it would start dropping down as the oil heated up. Eventually it would drop down to say 20-30 psi at idle, but then rise to 60-70 psi when you blip the throttle. I don't remember the exact pressure but that's not the point. Why would you want it buffered? A true enthusiast wants to know exactly what's happening when it happens. |
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certain cars dont have them, the nsx's oil gauge is sensitive enough you can see a drop when the vtec system switches cam profiles. scc also made a big stink about the srt4 having "real gauges" |
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You are not calibrating or diagnosing anything. You don't need instantaneous pressure readings other than to make yourself look cool. To me it is just shit moving around that I don't need to see. Let me know when the oil pressure drops below a level that will do damage to lower end bearings. That is really all I need to know. |
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It depends on whether you want something else doing the "averaging" for you or not.
Some people (myself included) don't want anything masked by a buffer or otherwise. Sometimes the subtle details expressed on an unbuffered gauge can tell a person with a good eye more about what's really going on. I hate any assumptions made about "what I need to see". Let me be the arbiter of that. |
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How shit works and feels in the real world fucking matters. Fuck the math. Fuck the theory. This is what always gets me going when talking about this shit to engineers.
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If you were measuring the oil pressure in 1kPa increments, the thing would be bouncing all around at steady RPM because the oil pump creates pressure oscillations. You just choose to buffer it to 300kPa instead of 1kPa. Get it? It is really no different that waiting a few seconds and averaging the results, but rather a different way of doing it. |
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It is all on how you wish to display the data pure and simple. |
Wow.
You actually made sense. Who are you, and does 101 know you're logged onto his account? |
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We have to keep you in engineer mode more often.
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