$447 bil
thats a lot of $ to conjure up outta thin air
extend unemplyment out to 3yrs from 2........:td:' though on my short stint of unemployment (6 mos) i think the federal $ was like $25/wk if that. |
But it won't cost us anything.
What a crock of shit. I am starting to compare Hussein Obama to Punxsutawney Phil. Everytime he gets to the podium we get six more months of recession. |
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Did you notice the Republicans didn't applaud when Obama talked about spending money on schools......Yet they applauded when he talked about spending money on some kind of new job program for vets. But wait, I thought they were against any new spending programs? Oh I forgot, the GOP is programmed to agree with any military-related spending. It makes them appear macho, which helps them get votes from armchair tough guys. So much for Republicans being economic conservatives.
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Homeslice: The Republicans don't applaud becuase they know any money for education is not meant for the kids. It is meant for the teachers and their unions but more importantly vote buying. Same for the Republicans and the military. Republicans get more military votes so they want to throw the money that way. |
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You guys understand that unemployment runs out right? Its not a lifetime of riches and fortunes....
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and like i said the Federal part of my unemployment $ was like $25/wk |
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when should they change careers or "go get a job any job" ? |
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And now they want to make it 3 years? It may not be a lifetime, but it's a hell of a lot longer than it used to be. |
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The U.S. can easily afford to take care of citizens who've fallen on hard times and don't necessarily want to end up homeless. Yes, there are those who will take advantage of the system, but it does not negate the need to take care of our own. |
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Unemployment is fucking a ridiculous waste of money. It assists some people, but far too many people know how to abuse the fuck out of the system and use it to avoid working for as long as possible because it makes it way too easy for people to be sedentary. The money would be better off going to job stimulus programs and getting people who are unemployed trained into skill sets that would broaden their appeal to employers. Instead, we coddle these fucking idiots and promote laziness and poor work ethic. |
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so what time frame should we give somebody? 1-2-3-4-5-6 ? yrs? |
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Or, they could move to a different city, or re-train for a different career. Oh but wait, that would require some savings.......Can't have that. :rolleyes: |
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Oh, and even if the money went towards teacher salaries, that's not a bad thing IF their credentials & performance are monitored. Right now, the best & brightest don't want to be teachers because the salaries suck. |
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so true, and so typical |
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I know a few people who work seasonal jobs and collect unemployment for the off season.
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I don't think that it is a stretch to say that if you are willing to work for $8/hr, there are endless possibilities available. |
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The problem is that they won't monitor teacher performance. I remember a while back, D.C. offered teachers the chance to potentially make $150k (averging 60-70k then) a year based on performance. The Union wouldn't even let it come to a vote. Teachers do pretty damn well for themselves. Especially when they take side jobs in the summer. Plus their benefits rival those of CEOs. Really good teachers don't take the job becuase they don't want to bust their asses and do everything they can to help children achieve when they will make less than a sorry ass teacher who sleeps in class because they have seniority. Education can't be fixed by launching more money at it. |
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Go to a more typical city like Louisville or Indianapolis, and teachers make only like $30K |
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Because according to this site, average teacher's salary is $44k in Kentucky... and you better fucking believe they make more in the bigger cities... http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/ave...-kentucky.html Indiana - $47k. For 9 months work. Starting salary might not be amazing, but there are plenty of office jobs for people right out of school that make less AND you need to work a full year to make that... Teachers making peanuts is a fucking myth... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bpb9DymmoU |
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Yup I know quite a few ppl who have done it. :td: |
So am I the only one who thought that the speech was purely political with 0% chance of anything actually coming from it?
Really, what i got out of the speech was the prez introducing a few programs that go against the GOP stances. This way in the upcoming election the dems can (any of them) say look at what we are trying to do for America, but the GOP is going against you and only for what their party wants. Also, has everyone else forgotten about the budget comitee that needs to slash trillions off the federal budget by November? |
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And the whole "they only work 9 months" is kind of a myth too. Yeah let's show up on day 1 of school without doing any prep work...... sounds like a teacher who won't get very far in their career |
our teachers are in school 1 mos after it lets out and 1 mos before it starts.
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Interesting article, relevant: http://authoritycon.blogspot.com/201...er-we-get.html |
I wouldn't want to be a teacher.
Sure you work 9-10 months a year but you end up working 12 hour days and several of those hours are spent dealing with brats and bureaucrats. In my county, those that make it past probation start at a salary appropriate for the area and increases with continuing education and some other crap. NYC City teachers are paid with cum drenched food stamps shat out the back of city rats and salary increases are delivered by lawsuit infested bullets. I think upstate teachers are paid with email forwards and homemade raspberry jam. |
Like I said before, IF proper vetting/recruiting/performance measurement took place, higher salaries would be justified. Right now, the teaching field does not attract the best & brightest college grads. Why would they, when they can make twice as much at Procter & Gamble, GE, or Goldman Sachs?
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You start talking high level AP HS courses and college, then yeah, you'll want the best and brightest... $30k/year to teach 1st graders how to sound out words and write their name doesn't seem too bad to me... |
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Those teachers making 55k and 60k are a lot more than 33k. |
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I wouldn't want whatever job\career you do either. |
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Elementary school teachers dont make as much as HS teachers and I think it is those folks (elementary school) that screw with statistics around teachers salaries. |
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That leaves only two reasonable conclusions: 1. Paul is full o' shit. 2. If it is true, the school system has more than enough qualified applicants to be picky which means that they are an attractive employer which means that the compensation package is at least fair if not generous. I like option 1. |
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aside from NYS requirements -( http://eservices.nysed.gov/teach/cer...Help.do#cfocus ), you have to make it though the vetting process. So yes for a 3rd grade teacher in many of our districts, you best come to the door with a sparkling reputation and a masters degree. bitch Typically...if you luck out and land a job in elementary school, you have to prove that you are working towards a masters otherwise you will booted. this is how it was explained to me by all deez bitches who be teachers and shit |
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Just so you know, a Master's degree isn't some magical passport to getting paid six figures... Last time I checked, average earnings difference between having a Master's and having a Bachelor's was only about 10%... that was the primary reason why I never went for it... |
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Where the fuck did I say earnings should be tied to education? |
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The rest simply "fell" into the job, because whatever they were originally doing failed.....Like maybe they couldn't hack the engineering major they originally wanted, or maybe they couldn't find a job with their Art History degree..... The fact is, only a minority of employees actually "love" their job. The rest are in it for the $$. And that means that the teaching field isn't getting top-quality people. Most teachers have mediocre credentials. Sure, they might have 1 or 2 or even 3 degrees, but from lower-ranked schools, and lower GPA's, and lower people skills & leadership skills.......... otherwise they would have scored a more lucrative job. |
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Oh....and HINT OBAMA WE DON'T FUCKIN HAVE 447 BILLION BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CUT ANYTHING U PRICK. WHEN AMERICA FOLDS...and it will if we continue on this path...FUCK U. |
So do people hate teachers and government workers because they are two of the few types of workers in America who still get benefits?
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When it comes to education talk, i tend to toss out a bunch of mehs when talk with folks across the country. Mainly because 1. our teachers are paid well. 2. We have excellent public schools around here. 3. Shit like no child left behind hurts our schools Sent from my old iTouch which is not as cool as racerx's fucking ipad |
i gots a new itouch too lol
Z actually won either an Ipad or $500 the other day from some Oncology Nurse website, she chose the $ so how much should a teacher make, granted its diff for diff parts of the country. |
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How about average America? Dunno why we're talking about teacher salaries anyway, unless someone has proof that Obama's proposal is mostly about raising teacher salaries........it isn't, it's mostly about renovating schools, |
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I don't think a General even makes much more than $150k. Those fuckers have all kinds of responsibility that teachers could never imagine or fathom (when they fail, we literally die). The grunt getting shot at in the middle of some god forsaken country makes less than $20,000. Even a high ranking officer (with a Masters+) doesn't make much more than $55,000 a year. I doubt anybody in their right mind would say that a teacher has it harder than anyone in the US Military. I'm tired of this "teachers have it tough" bullshit. How about they start improving the education of children and then we'll talk pay raises. |
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One only needs to look at some of the cars owned by "lowly" E3's & E4's..... |
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Kaneman: Seriously? Did the Air Force bomb your neighbor on accident and did the police raid your house thinking you had blow in there or something? |
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Their generals HAVE to make more than that. Our commanding officers onboard the ships (3 ringers) make about 170-200k. |
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I know several folks of the "I'm too good for that job so I refuse to do anything" ilk and even after unemployment ran out they depend on other people to bail them out b/c they are too damn lazy to do something "beneath" them. When you paint houses for a living or do handy man work and have zero education, I'm thinking the dollar tree would look pretty good when you arent bringing in ANY money to support your family. But wait, you can call your 80 year old parents who are retired and living on SS and what they set aside and get them to help you out when you blow all your wife's paycheck on cigs and beer. I work in public utilities and I get calls all the time about folks not wanting to pay their bill b/c their "check" hasn't come in yet, even tho they got it at the beginning of the month when bills were due and blew it on other things than paying for water and power. I have no pity. Turn off your cable TV, your cell phone and that internet service and take care of the important things, like rent and utilities. Quote:
Lets also consider that if Obama and his successors dont turn things around, my husband wont have a retirement in 10 years when he's done his 20 or more...nor will any of the other military members who put their lives on the line on foreign countries because America wont pull back and take care of home first! |
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If all that you have is weapons to "blow the world up 33 times over", then all that you can do is either blow the world up, or nothing. Not a very effective method of defence.
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Defensive moves (and ultimately, entire wars) are accomplished at the micro level combining up to the macro level. Decrease personnel levels and keep massive weapons and you just end up with another version of the Cold War. No thanks. Now, if you're talking about narrowing that focus and removing the people just along for the pay-ride while not really accomplishing anything other than taking up space and replacing them with personnel that will actually work, then sure, that makes more sense. You'll spend more trying to figure out who is just taking up space, however... |
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Another benefit is if we paid our soldiers better we could get away with less soldiers who are better soldiers, instead of taking anybody with a pulse. |
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If there is such a drastic need to increase pay in the military, why do more than enough people volunteer? I would like to see the stats to know for sure, but I'm going to bet only 20-30-40% of the people who try to get in do.
And as for "if you raise the pay, you'd get better quality people", OK maybe....... but how come you don't think that would be true for teachers as well? Oh but wait, then it would be "But most teachers/soldiers/etc. are in it for the altruism..........(cough BULLSHIT)". Sounds like all of us are going round and round in circles |
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Well, he quoted me and made the statement, and since I didnt say anywhere in my post that I think the military members should make more money and get raises, what else can we read from it?
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----Beware grammar nazi's!! Extremely long sentence below---- Based on the (Ron Paul's and his followers) premise that the United States should not be involved in force projection, using military to manipulate foreign affairs and all that other Darth Vader shit AND based on our geopolitical reality AND based on the fact that no other country in the world, friend or foe has the ability to project force in a way that threatens our national integrity there is no need to maintain our current military doctrine, structure and assets to support that doctrine. In other words we dont need the 1.43 military personnel We dont need close to a dozen aircraft carriers, 70+ subs We dont need a long range bomber force We dont need a lot of big ticket offensive systems We can eliminate tons of programs and decrease the size of the total armed forces to a fraction of its current size. We could drop total spending from 700 billion (actual spending is probably close to a 1 trillion once you factor in related costs) to 100 billion dollars if we were to adopt the stance proposed by Ron Paul and his supporters. Based on our GDP (adjusted downward due to theoretical downsizing of military) we would be able to afford a small raise for the remaining military personnel. However, based on our new "theoretical" isolationist posture and the fact that we have no external threats (and none in the foreseeable future) we would have to question why we are giving raises to people who would have nothing to do but fill out paper work and go out on training exercises. Note: This is not what I'm proposing nor is it something I really feel strongly about. I'm just following the logic..and procrastinating on something I'm supposed to be doing. |
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