Buell Owners: NightRider XiED
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Knight Rider Performence is not only a great place for bike tech but also sells a few select performance parts as well. Their bread winner has to be the XiEDs. Quote:
I figured it this way. I have 2 choices. First, aftermarket tuner + dyno time, which adds up to $500+/-. Gain some added power, cooler temps, better throttle response. Second, and my choice, NightRiders XiED, which will give me cooler temps, better throttle response, and maybe? I have been waiting all year for the new 2009 FLH XiED to be certified. They finally were and I picked up a set for the Ultra and a set of X14iEDs for the 2009 Nightster. The Ultra's, which I have yet to install. The added wire is to correct the new FLH dirty ground. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider002.jpg The Nightster's X14iEDs http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider001.jpg The plug-n-play installation is just that. Front: Unplug the O2 sensor here http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider003.jpg Put the X14iED inline between the O2 and the bike's wiring http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider004.jpg Then tuck it in somewhere keeping it away from hot items http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider005.jpg Used 2 zip ties and the existing clamp to keep it tight and clean http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider007.jpg http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider008.jpg Rear: Stock wiring plug here http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider009.jpg Unplug http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider011.jpg http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider010.jpg Plug in and zip tie into place http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider012.jpg http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider014.jpg I added a step, that wasn't in the NightRider instructions. I pulled the maxi fuse for 15 mins. Then reinstalled that. Took the bike for a nice 15 mile ride. First thing that I noticed was improved throttle response at idle. It use to plup then rev off idle when you whack the throttle. 75% of that is gone. In gear, clutch out, and twist the throttle. I instantly notice the throttle response. I swear they installed a few extra power points. Couple that with the throttle response and the end result is all big grins. I'm amazed!! It feels like it added 5-10hp. I still need to do the Ultra install and report back. I'm also going to have the brother in law ride the Nightster for a 2nd opinion (he's rode it a few times). But right now the weather is poopy for the next 4 days. More to come... |
Wish they would make these for my 5th gen VFR.
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Sorry. You can email Stephen. But it sure does seem to be HD related only.
Marko... you need these!!! Trust me. It did huge wonders to the nightster!! |
Hmm. You've got my attention. There's a guy who makes tuning software for the XB's called ECMspy. But I've resisted because I dont really have any complaints with the throttle response or power delivery of my bike, and I don't really wanna get in to tuning myself.
But if this is as easy as it looks then I might be in to it. What, exactly, are these two wires doing? And, semi-related, does your Ultra have two O2 sensors? Mine only has one, on the rear header. |
do they make a 1125 one though....
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so how much did that resistor run? considering how well that trick works with the ebay ''chips'' id be surprised if it didnt live up to the name of ied
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What does it do exactly?
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Ok lean is mean. Too a point. Go too far and you will end up with burnt motor parts. Understand that all of our bikes come "EPA lean" which is between mean and burnt. This gives you excessive heat off the motor and exhaust. It also, means that there is not enuff gas in the mixture when you smack the throttle open to rev properly. You get the lag then rev. A motor is a big air pump. You twist the throttle the throttle body opens and allows more air to enter the motor. However, due to lag with the epa lean mix, there isn't enough gas to accomodate the air. It leans out till the injectors give you more. Results = poor throttle response. These correct that by fooling the stock ecm into seeing a different resistent measure off the O2 sensor. This changes the a/f from 14.2 to 13.6 across the board. The ecm will still adjust to changing atmosphere as it does now. There is some resistors and whatever in the 2 wires. Mine has 3 cause I have to ground the rear. Both my bikes have 2 sensors. 1 per pipe. Quote:
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Nightrider site is amazing. Scroll thru the first link I put up. He's got tons of info on everything from spark plugs, motor oil, etc. If you have any questions, email him. His name is Steve and he is very helpfull. |
Just checked out the site. Seems to make a ton of sense, and its cheap.
I may look into this over the winter. |
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I have given it a 88% endorsement. Will complete my endorsement once I get it added and test rode to the Ultra.
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Marko, I was going to use it, but it doesn't work so easily on the 08 and up bikes. You need to buy conversion software to write to the ecm. Its not particularly expensive by any means but, like you I'm not very confident with messing around with fuel mapping.
This just makes it run a little richer throughout the rpm range by making it think its getting more air than it really is all the time. Seems like the smartest way to overcome the dynamic fuel injection, just change the reading of the probe. I don't see how the bike could compensate and over ride it. I'm going to get in touch with him and see what kind of buell specific advice he can give. |
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I keep thinking about getting ECMspy so I can do my own TPS resets too. |
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Marko, as smart as gasman seems to be electrically, he could probably build you an ecm spy cable. Its just a usb cable with a deutch connector grafted on to it. If not, you can buy one for 40 bones.
I hear tps resets are one of the main reasons to own it. And once you figure it out, you won't have to give a dealer any money! The software is hard to find now. I have a copy on my pc if you'd like it, I just need to wait for my internet guy to come in and hook it up. It comes with a pdf tuning guide as well. |
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Dude only lists stuff for Buell back to 06. No good for me.
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He has a forum to aid in questions
http://www.tuneyourharley.com/forum/ I searched buell and found a few things http://www.tuneyourharley.com/forum/...2021677b4#p302 |
Looks like he's recommending the brand new modular setup.
http://www.nightrider.com/parts/index_modular.htm Look like it still wouldn't cost. |
Dudes website BLOWS.
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Guy has always been about content more so than look. He's rock solid when it comes to tech!
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Got to do more reading... click around the site. There is so much info on his site you could be there all day.
Here's some more info on the iED http://www.nightrider.com/parts/ied_faq.htm http://www.nightrider.com/parts/ied_product_line.htm Some info on the HD high heat http://www.nightrider.com/parts/hd2007hd_heat_00.htm As I said about other tech related info Right side menu... http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/ Examples which all include links inside them if you want to be educated more: motor oil http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/oilinfo0.htm Spark plugs http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hdsparkplugs.htm |
He should hire someone to do a proper website. Might help his business.
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Yeah perhaps.
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Well I did the install on the Ultra.
The units themselves http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider002.jpg Locate Front http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider001.jpg Unplug http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...tRider0022.jpg Now not only did I plug the unit inline, I shrink wrapped the grounding end for 2 reasons. One to cover up the pink plastic, and two, to keep water out of it. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider003.jpg I then also replaced the yellow zip tie and then zip tied the wires into the same place the harness was before. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider004.jpg http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider006.jpg Found the rear just behind the oil dipstick. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider008.jpg Unplug http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider009.jpg Ran the grounding wire up to the battery ground under the seat http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider010.jpg See the blue connector http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider011.jpg Shrink wrap the grounding connection, same two reasons http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider012.jpg http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider013.jpg Zip tie it all together http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider014.jpg Tucked back into place http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...htRider015.jpg I must say, I 100% endorse this product. While the greatest benifit for a Twin Cam is to cool the motor down, which I won't be able to notice till next year sometime. However, the throttle response is nearly the same improvement on the Ultra, benifit as well. Hands down this is a must do mod, especially for $100 and its complete ease. |
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Come on, you didn't like the pink? :lol:
and I think the display is for oil temp. |
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It is a oil dipstick. It gives oil temp and level (corrected based on oil temp). Trick setup for sure. |
interesting. another thing i dont think id trust, it it battery operated?
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Its not battery operated at all. Its simply a assembly of resisters and whatever.
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Sure gas was talking about the wiring, not the oil dip stick. :lol
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So this thing is basically a resistor that sends back a constant value, right? If so, sounds exactly like the Dynojet O2 sensor eliminator, which you can get for only $20. Only difference is that it only plugs into the ECM side....... the O2 sensor doesn't need to be connected to anything anymore.
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If you would remove the o2 sensor altogether, it would not be able to compensate. In a nutshell, this device allows the bike to continue to compensate for various situations, but richens up the mixture at the same time. |
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It works. Trust me. Works very well.
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True. But do it or I'll be forced to "wing" ya.
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