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09-14-2009, 05:31 PM | #1 | |
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What's killing me, one side says it's the owner's fault when dogs are bad. Hokie is saying that her parent's dog attacks other dogs but it's not the dog's or her parent's fault. You are almost saying that it's the person who gets attacked fault, and to top it off you think that animal control officers are idiots and more that 50% incorrect in their breed identifications. I guess I'm confused, when a dog bites is it; a. the owner's fault b. the dog's fault/temperament/breed c. the victim's fault d. Cesar Milan's for making a bunch of suckers believe that they can own potentially dangerous animals without incident if they hold their collars a certain way. Come on, I'm sure that we can all understand that it's a combination of a, b, and c (maybe a little of d as well ) You can't just rule out the possibility that if Hokie's parents had owned a different dog (possibly even a pit) that the situation might be different and incident-less. That if the trailer trash had owned a poodle that the baby would still have it's toes. I honestly believe that dogs have individual personalities just like people and like people different types have different strengths and characteristics, in general. Stereotypes suck BUT they rarely just get started without any reason whatsoever. |
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09-14-2009, 05:42 PM | #2 |
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I think people need to be aware of the animals that they have. They are, first and foremost, animals that live life by instinct and learned behavior FIRST. Ignorance is not an excuse. I am very aware that my dog, if put in the right situation, could kill. I just don't like the idea of putting any breed into a bracket. It's profiling... just because it's profiling dogs doesn't make it any better than profiling humans.
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09-14-2009, 06:18 PM | #3 | |
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Yea you're right we shouldn't profile ANY animals. Go ahead and pick up that rattlesnake, they're not dangerous. They're just a victim of PROFILING!!! Don't you agree that some breeds of dogs are bigger than others? Some are faster? Smarter? It always gets me that positive profiling is okay but don't you dare say anything negative!!! I don't care if you have facts, they must be wrong. I don't care if you have documentation, it has to be falsified or the documentors are idiots/incompetent. I don't care if there are thousands of news stories, it's media bias. (um, even the first story?) I don't care if you have personal stories, it must have been the circumstances/owners/victims. When did it start becoming profiling/media bias? The 10th incident? The 100th?...the 1000th?...the 10,000th? What if I told you that I have a pet leopard and it's an AWESOME pet! It plays with my kids and is so sweet! Would you go out and get one? Why not? Oh you've heard the story about the leopard owner in New York who was mauled...- he was a bad owner and didn't assert himself as pack leader. Huh, what about the 5 year old that lost his leg? Hey he was taunting the leopard and the animal was improperly exercised and trained. It's all just a bunch of media bias and sensationalism, don't pay it any attention! Besides, those animals may just as well been panthers, cheetahs or tigers, you know how stupid animal control officers are. |
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There are numerous factors that contribute to owning a well behaved and socialized dog of the working or hunting stock. Many of these factors are no longer common knowledge as these dogs are not being used as they were bred to be used. Dogs are highly adaptable and can easily be happy and satisfied in a city lifestyle if their owners are willing to learn their individual needs and take action. To make light of training methods such as those used by Cesar Milan by saying "oh well you didn't hold the collar right" is to completely miss the point of proper pack structure and also shows a bit of ignorance regarding canine behavior. I was lucky, I grew up on a farm with working dogs and then lived in the city with my father who would've never tolerated a dog rushing the door at the mailman. I've owned everything from German Shepards to Pit Bulls to a 120lb Rottweiler to numerous working cattle dogs. Never been bitten or treated aggressively by any of them and never had them bite someone else. This is solely because my family understands how to handle strong dogs. I inherited that knowledge from my grandfather and my father and have expanded on it with the science that we have learned about dogs in the past 50 years. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have always been around well behaved dogs and doesn't take the initiative to learn. Instead when their dog develops behavior issues or bites the mailman they say, "We don't know what happened, he was a great puppy and then all the sudden he changed!" Then their once beloved family pet makes his way to the vet to get the needle. It happens everyday and I hear about it all the time. Regarding Pit Bulls specifically the situation is even more bleak as (I have mentioned this) the typical Pit Bull owner is young and wants the dog for the tough image they are now (unfortunately) known for. They do not know the first thing about dogs and have likely never even seen a dog do real work (dogs are NOT pets, hamsters are pets. Dogs are working creatures) and don't even understand the concept of fulfilling their dogs needs. Pit Bulls are high energy and full of determination...yet many of their owners simply leave them in the back yard and in many cases chain them to a tree. This happens with other breeds as well but is more common with Pit Bulls. The bottom line is that Pit Bulls are no different than other breeds of the Molosser ancestry yet suffer from a variety of factors that make them seem like killers to the general public.
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