CA Declares State of Fiscal Emergency...

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Who did?

I can't say I know enough about California politics to provide you with a detailed answer, I live in NJ (not that I'm that up on Jersey politics)...but I know enough to tell you that the financial crisis that California faces is complex, and can't be blamed on any one group.

101 is like the fucktard in every group that's the first to yell "WITCH!!" only his witch is "liberals".

It's like a reflex. It's pretty funny. He's not the sharpest cat out there, so you gotta wonder...who programmed this guy? He goes off rather predictably, and it seems to be a reflex.

Who programmed you, 101? Is your dad Rush Limbaugh or something?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Avatard

I can't say I know enough about California politics to provide you with a detailed answer, I live in NJ (not that I'm that up on Jersey politics)...but I know enough to tell you that the financial crisis that California faces is complex, and can't be blamed on any one group.

101 is like the fucktard in every group that's the first to yell "WITCH!!" only his witch is "liberals".

It's like a reflex. It's pretty funny. He's not the sharpest cat out there, so you gotta wonder...who programmed this guy? He goes off rather predictably, and it seems to be a reflex.

Who programmed you, 101? Is your dad Rush Limbaugh or something?

Amusing when the only reason we aren't in the same dire straights is a guy with an r next to his name.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Avatard is like the fucktard in every group that's the first to yell "WITCH!!" only his witch is "conservatives".

It's like a reflex. It's pretty funny. He's not the sharpest cat out there, so you gotta wonder...who programmed this guy? He goes off rather predictably, and it seems to be a reflex.

Who programmed you, Avatard? Is your dad Bill Maher or something?

You are quick to point the finger when with just a few word changes a PERFECT description of yourself emerges.

Just saying....

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Avatard

I can't say I know enough about California politics to provide you with a detailed answer, I live in NJ (not that I'm that up on Jersey politics)...but I know enough to tell you that the financial crisis that California faces is complex, and can't be blamed on any one group.

101 is like the fucktard in every group that's the first to yell "WITCH!!" only his witch is "liberals".

It's like a reflex. It's pretty funny. He's not the sharpest cat out there, so you gotta wonder...who programmed this guy? He goes off rather predictably, and it seems to be a reflex.

Who programmed you, 101? Is your dad Rush Limbaugh or something?

And this is different from your reflex to blame Bush/The GOP/Republicans for anything and everything how? You say California's financial crisis is too complex to blame on one group, yet America's financial crisis is simple enough to lay blame? Who programmed you, Avatard? Is your dad Keith Olbermann or something?

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by goof2

You say California's financial crisis is too complex to blame on one group, yet America's financial crisis is simple enough to lay blame?

Actually, looking back historically to where the worst moves were made politically which allowed the latest financial meltdown (and a number of other economic stumbling blocks) to occur (and for that matter historically some of the worst legislation in hindsight) seems to have occurred on the Republican's watch.

The irony here is that a return to a true Republican platform is actually far closer to a Libertarian one, one that I personally favor.

It's just that the Republicans say one thing, and do another.

All politicians are hypocrites. However, the Republicans for a while now have made it into a true fucking art form.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Actually, looking back historically to where the worst moves were made politically which allowed the latest financial meltdown (and a number of other economic stumbling blocks) to occur (and for that matter historically some of the worst legislation in hindsight) seems to have occurred on the Republican's watch.

I would argue that the true origin of the problem was the Housing and Community Development Act....introduced by Henry Reuss, a democrat from Wisconsin, and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter....also a democrat.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

I would argue that the true origin of the problem was the Housing and Community Development Act....introduced by Henry Reuss, a democrat from Wisconsin, and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter....also a democrat.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&

Which Republicans would have rectified, if they really say it as being a problem, no? Passed in 1977? That's 33 years including 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush Senior, and 8 years of Bush the Lesser. That's more than 50% of the time between when that law was passed, and when all hell broke loose.

Not only was it not withdrawn, but it was "improved" over that time. Any Republican who points to the Carter years as the origin of the problem, must also wear the problem, himself, for the 5 sessions during that time that the Republicans had both The House and The Senate. A ticking time-bomb, but no one fixed it?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Actually, looking back historically to where the worst moves were made politically which allowed the latest financial meltdown (and a number of other economic stumbling blocks) to occur (and for that matter historically some of the worst legislation in hindsight) seems to have occurred on the Republican's watch.

The irony here is that a return to a true Republican platform is actually far closer to a Libertarian one, one that I personally favor.

It's just that the Republicans say one thing, and do another.

All politicians are hypocrites. However, the Republicans for a while now have made it into a true fucking art form.

The worst moves that allowed the latest financial meltdown to occue were in real estate, and more specifically within Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the FHA. Those conditions have been in place for decades. Bush talked about reforming them in 2003 and 2005, but nothing ever came of it. In the debate about it in 2003 Barney Frank most famously stated "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis". You can read more about Frank's specific involvement below, but I doubt it will make a difference.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ancial_fiasco/

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Avatard

I can't say I know enough about California politics to provide you with a detailed answer, I live in NJ (not that I'm that up on Jersey politics)...but I know enough to tell you that the financial crisis that California faces is complex, and can't be blamed on any one group.

101 is like the fucktard in every group that's the first to yell "WITCH!!" only his witch is "liberals".

It's like a reflex. It's pretty funny. He's not the sharpest cat out there, so you gotta wonder...who programmed this guy? He goes off rather predictably, and it seems to be a reflex.

Who programmed you, 101? Is your dad Rush Limbaugh or something?

You can say what you want...but you do not live in this state...nor understand the type of people who run it. When you are taxed on everything, but the state is still broke, you wonder why.

The entire CA legislation is liberal, who constantly keeps giving more and more to teachers, cops, fireman unions, every other pet peeve project that comes along and most of all illegals get everything they want. They make the budget each year and every year it goes way over. And the worst part? They don't get it nor will they change. Imagine an entire legislation full of Nancy Pelosi's where money grows on trees. It's fucking pathetic.

They control the money and taxation, so they are to blame. This also just didn't start after the recession, it was a long time in the making.

Look at Texas, who predominately has conservatives in power. Don't see them as broke...and we have more industry here in CA then in TX.