CA Declares State of Fiscal Emergency... - Page 9

Avatard · 12-13-2010, 05:12 PM

I find it hilarious that you're all looking to me as some fucking oracle of wisdom on this, when I've already said, I don't know how many times already in this thread, that I know shit about Cali politics.

I just suggested it's a bit more complicated than that "it's all the liberals fault!" alarm 101 keeps fucking abusing.

When it was suggested that "Podunk didn't get special consideration, why should Cali?" I tried to point out that Cali has a shit ton of important industries that didn't get a bailout, and that this may further complicate the matter.

I don't really believe that the other states don't matter, but I don't believe that Cali should be treated the same as Podunk for all the reasons I stated.

WTF is so hard for you people to grasp?

101lifts2 · 12-13-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

I find it hilarious that you're all looking to me as some fucking oracle of wisdom on this, when I've already said, I don't know how many times already in this thread, that I know shit about Cali politics.

I just suggested it's a bit more complicated than that "it's all the liberals fault!" alarm 101 keeps fucking abusing.....

You claim to know little about CA politics, but you def. know the liberals cannot be to blame.....because "it's just too complex". LOL...Spending money is not complex homebrew. The only ones to blame are liberals.

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Originally Posted by Avatard

....When it was suggested that "Podunk didn't get special consideration, why should Cali?" I tried to point out that Cali has a shit ton of important industries that didn't get a bailout, and that this may further complicate the matter.....

Neither should get shit.

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Originally Posted by Avatard

....WTF is so hard for you people to grasp?

We get it...you don't.

Homeslice · 12-13-2010, 09:16 PM

The current Republican track record doesn't suggest they'd be any thriftier. If they were in charge of CA, they'd probably blow a ton of money subsidizing defense and energy companies and kissing their ass. Plus they are all bark and no bite when it comes to the immigration problem. They're too busy protecting the industries that use that cheap labor.

Captain Morgan · 12-13-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

The current Republican track record doesn't suggest they'd be any thriftier. If they were in charge of CA, they'd probably blow a ton of money subsidizing defense and energy companies and kissing their ass. Plus they are all bark and no bite when it comes to the immigration problem. They're too busy protecting the industries that use that cheap labor.

But, in the words of Avatard, the republicans would be spending the country's money, not money out of their own pockets, therefore, Cali problems would be the fault of the republicans.

Avatard · 12-13-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

But, in the words of Avatard, the republicans would be spending the country's money, not money out of their own pockets, therefore, Cali problems would be the fault of the republicans.

OK, I'll run with your characterization of my position:

So what we have is two groups. One spends our money on social programs...for us. Another diverts our money to the rich.

Both spend.

Why not have the ones that at least spend our money on US?

I fail to see what attracts anyone to the republican position who isn't a millionaire or billionaire.

101lifts2 · 12-13-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

OK, I'll run with your characterization of my position:

So what we have is two groups. One spends our money on social programs...for us. Another diverts our money to the rich.

Both spend.

Why not have the ones that at least spend our money on US?

I fail to see what attracts anyone to the republican position who isn't a millionaire or billionaire.

If you actually WORK..the money the Dems spend on "us" is actually your money on people who DON'T work or don't pay taxes. At least this is how CA does it.....fuck that.

Papa_Complex · 12-14-2010, 08:06 AM

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I would argue that the true origin of the problem was the Housing and Community Development Act....introduced by Henry Reuss, a democrat from Wisconsin, and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter....also a democrat.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&

Which Republicans would have rectified, if they really say it as being a problem, no? Passed in 1977? That's 33 years including 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush Senior, and 8 years of Bush the Lesser. That's more than 50% of the time between when that law was passed, and when all hell broke loose.

Not only was it not withdrawn, but it was "improved" over that time. Any Republican who points to the Carter years as the origin of the problem, must also wear the problem, himself, for the 5 sessions during that time that the Republicans had both The House and The Senate. A ticking time-bomb, but no one fixed it?

Avatard · 12-14-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2

If you actually WORK..the money the Dems spend on "us" is actually your money on people who DON'T work or don't pay taxes. At least this is how CA does it.....fuck that.

So as long as the money isn't going to you, why do you prefer it goes to the rich, and not the poor? You think the rich is gonna share theirs with you?

Who's to say that with a meal to feed their family, the poor won't steal from you less...would this not also benefit YOU?

tallywacker · 12-14-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

So as long as the money isn't going to you, why do you prefer it goes to the rich, and not the poor? You think the rich is gonna share theirs with you?

Who's to say that with a meal to feed their family, the poor won't steal from you less...would this not also benefit YOU?

Share the wealth, share the wealth, share the wealth.

That's all I hear. Fucking bums wanting a free ride.

Avatard · 12-14-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tallywacker

Share the wealth, share the wealth, share the wealth.

That's all I hear.

Right. I know. You tend to think very much in black and white. That's why I'm trying alternate ways of communicating this.

So, I ask you...if the Democrats to you equal only "share the wealth", and having that happen can only help raise life standards and education for all (thus you indirectly), why would you prefer the Republican alternative, which is ultimately to just make a tiny few millionaires (the richest 1%) and billionaires even richer?

If Democrats only suggest "share the wealth" to you, then this at least keeps the overall distribution of wealth more equitable, and guarantees greater overall prosperity, peace, and quality of life.

Why would you not prefer this?

12-13-2010, 05:12 PM	#81
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	I find it hilarious that you're all looking to me as some fucking oracle of wisdom on this, when I've already said, I don't know how many times already in this thread, that *I know shit about Cali politics*. I just suggested it's a bit more complicated than that "it's all the liberals fault!" alarm 101 keeps fucking abusing. When it was suggested that "Podunk didn't get special consideration, why should Cali?" I tried to point out that Cali has a shit ton of important industries that didn't get a bailout, and that this may further complicate the matter. I don't really believe that the other states don't matter, but I don't believe that Cali should be treated the same as Podunk for all the reasons I stated. WTF is so hard for you people to grasp? __________________ Insert free thought here.

12-13-2010, 09:16 PM	#83
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	The current Republican track record doesn't suggest they'd be any thriftier. If they were in charge of CA, they'd probably blow a ton of money subsidizing defense and energy companies and kissing their ass. Plus they are all bark and no bite when it comes to the immigration problem. They're too busy protecting the industries that use that cheap labor. Last edited by Homeslice; 12-13-2010 at 09:21 PM..