All in the rider... - Page 5

OreoGaborio · 10-20-2008, 12:17 PM

I always do my best to ride CLEAN and predictable whether it be racing or TD's...

At a TD I give as MUCH room as possible no matter who you are or how you're riding (3 feet MINIMUM... I try to keep it to 6+). You have to, ya know? Close passing is just NOT necessary and it doesn't impress anyone at a TD... especially the TD staff who are in charge of keeping things safe.

But racing... well, there ain't nothin better than "holding hands" with a friend while draggin knees through a corner

.... wow, that sounded kinda gay.

Amber Lamps · 10-20-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

Well this one heated up over the weekend...I dunno about close passes on track days. If you know the guy and you went out to "race" with him and play dogfight then you know whats up. If it just happens to be another track day rider who happens just to be slower than you and in your group, give him a break, be patient. There is no glory in taking anyone out needlessly for no reward or gain.

I was pretty gentleman like when I raced. Block passes, slide jobs, and running someone wide was reserved for extreme, tried everything else, type passes. Mostly due to me not wanting to have to repair my bike or rehab my injuries.

With the guys I knew and raced with every weekend, we generally knew who to trust with 6 inches and who not to. I raced with some guys I respected so much that an inch was enough and touching knees, elbows, fairings wan't uncommon. And we both enjoyed the close quarters and would laugh about it in the pits...

You sir,are always the voice of reason here,thank you! I only wish that I could express myself as effortlessly as you do. You summed up my point perfectly. Why take chances during a track day? I thought part of the reason for taking track days was the lower risk. If you're gonna be out there "rubbin" and making dangerous passes,you may as well take your chances on the street.

Oh and to "get back on subject",superior equipment has trumped skill on several occasions during the long history of racing and still continues to do so. Do you really believe that Casey Stoner is a better/more skillful rider than Valentino Rossi? I personally believe that his team had a much better bike last year and Stoner is a great rider and used it to his advantage BUT he is not a better rider than Rossi. Skill ALWAYS trumps superior equipment? What planet are you from?

Amber Lamps · 10-20-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

I always do my best to ride clean whether it be racing or TD's... At a TD I give as MUCH room as possible no matter who you are or how you're riding (3 feet MINIMUM... I try to keep it to 6+). You have to in the interest of safety.

But racing... well, there ain't nothin better than "holding hands" with a friend while draggin knees through a corner

.... wow, that sounded kinda gay.

Yeah,just a little... Hey,I wasn't critiquing your riding style but seriously asking a question about body position and getting off the bike. Back when I rode A LOT more aggressively,I was often criticized because I tended to "work the bike" to get around corners,kinda like you would a car,by sliding the rear and what not. Now that I've "slowed down",I'm trying to be more smooth and I think that better body positioning will help me with that.

smileyman · 10-20-2008, 12:42 PM

No, your right tigger, skill doesn't always trump the equipment. It often does as some folks can't get all the preformance potential out of the bike their on, but riders being equal equipment should win out.

Fortunately for my busted ass, safety wired, bubble gum band aid rides, skill does play a part. And for the most part experience, IE seat time, is the key ingredient to that skill.

I think upon reflection....My bike needs a boob job!

OreoGaborio · 10-20-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

I think upon reflection....My bike needs a boob job!

Gives a whole new meaning to "My EX(500) had a GREAT rack"

the chi · 10-20-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

Gives a whole new meaning to "My EX(500) had a GREAT rack"

Reminds me of a lady rider who runs at jennings, she has her bike taped up in such a manner to look like a bra or bikini top!

Amber Lamps · 10-20-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

No, your right tigger, skill doesn't always trump the equipment. It often does as some folks can't get all the preformance potential out of the bike their on, but riders being equal equipment should win out.

Fortunately for my busted ass, safety wired, bubble gum band aid rides, skill does play a part. And for the most part experience, IE seat time, is the key ingredient to that skill.

I think upon reflection....My bike needs a boob job!

Well,NtS knows a girl that can point you in the right direction.... Oh and know that skill CAN trump equipment,I have a problem with "ALWAYS".

smileyman · 10-20-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Chi

Reminds me of a lady rider who runs at jennings, she has her bike taped up in such a manner to look like a bra or bikini top!

I knew a lady 2 stroke racer who actually had a small set of fake boobs on her tail section...She always said "If you can catch them, you can feel'em!"

t-homo · 10-20-2008, 01:00 PM

Smiley, I hope if I make it to Hallett next spring/summer, you can make it out the same day.

the chi · 10-20-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Well,NtS knows a girl that can point you in the right direction.... Oh and know that skill CAN trump equipment,I have a problem with "ALWAYS".

You have a problem with wanting to argue with people abut everything, thats all. A well as take things out of context. If you wanna call me out, do it, or ask me to clarify. Quit being a pussy and referring to my words in your posts.

I was referring to a track day and experience, NOT MOTOGP in my statement, as thats what the vid originally posted is of. A TRACK DAY. Any newb can go to the track on a 1000 and get beat by an old expereinced and skilled rider on a "bandaided" 600 or sometimes even smaller, b/c he has the skills and knowledge the bigger bike rider lacks. They arent on even playing fields.

In the big league, where ALL the riders are at the same or close to skill level, your equipment will take the win.

There, feel better now?!

10-20-2008, 12:17 PM	#41
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	I always do my best to ride CLEAN and predictable whether it be racing or TD's... At a TD I give as MUCH room as possible no matter who you are or how you're riding (3 feet MINIMUM... I try to keep it to 6+). You have to, ya know? Close passing is just NOT necessary and it doesn't impress anyone at a TD... especially the TD staff who are in charge of keeping things safe. But racing... well, there ain't nothin better than "holding hands" with a friend while draggin knees through a corner .... wow, that sounded kinda gay. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race) Last edited by OreoGaborio; 10-20-2008 at 12:24 PM..

10-20-2008, 12:42 PM	#44
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	No, your right tigger, skill doesn't always trump the equipment. It often does as some folks can't get all the preformance potential out of the bike their on, but riders being equal equipment should win out. Fortunately for my busted ass, safety wired, bubble gum band aid rides, skill does play a part. And for the most part experience, IE seat time, is the key ingredient to that skill. I think upon reflection....My bike needs a boob job! __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

10-20-2008, 01:00 PM	#49
t-homo WSB Champion Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 7,146	Smiley, I hope if I make it to Hallett next spring/summer, you can make it out the same day.