A personal example of how full gear can save your ass!

[OTB]

First off, SHit! how did i miss this thread... and DLIT, I am so sorry.

I am going to take a WAG (wild-assed guess) about the cause of the crash.

You said that in the transition from left to right the front end just "went away"; without more details it's just a guess, but bikes like the R1 (short wheelbase, little rake, short trail) can do a little "pogo" type thing where when you've popped from full lean to full lean side-to-side the suspension unweights for a second at the top of the transition.... a lot of it has to do with if you are trail braking or on throttle and in that photo, it appears that the direction of travel is slightly downhill which also contributes to the unweighting on the front.

Doesn't take much at racetrack speeds. Rushing even slightly downhill causes the vectors to change NOT in your favor.

Just guessing without more data. But I've lost the front in similar situations on bikes i was familiar with, on roads I "Knew".

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by OTB

First off, SHit! how did i miss this thread... and DLIT, I am so sorry.

I am going to take a WAG (wild-assed guess) about the cause of the crash.

You said that in the transition from left to right the front end just "went away"; without more details it's just a guess, but bikes like the R1 (short wheelbase, little rake, short trail) can do a little "pogo" type thing where when you've popped from full lean to full lean side-to-side the suspension unweights for a second at the top of the transition.... a lot of it has to do with if you are trail braking or on throttle and in that photo, it appears that the direction of travel is slightly downhill which also contributes to the unweighting on the front.

Just guessing without more data. But I've lost the front in similar situations on bikes i was familiar with, on roads I "Knew".

Not a bad guess. I wasn't trail braking. I just use my lean to scrub speed off if need be. But you could be right. I still think I should've felt some feedback. I was already leaning right. Who knows. Important thing is I'm here still. I'll proly never ride street again. I don't have fun unless I'm hauling ass, but I can't risk getting that lucky again. My gear and a metric fuck ton of luck saved my ass.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by DLIT

..... I'll proly never ride street again. .....

Yeah you will. Give it time. You need to find a road thats a slower pace with quicker turns. Of course then you'll have to move back down to a 600.

So....were you at least faster than this guy you met?

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Yeah you will. Give it time. You need to find a road thats a slower pace with quicker turns. Of course then you'll have to move back down to a 600.

So....were you at least faster than this guy you met?

I still have my R6. And I'm the fastest guy I know on the streets. But I highly doubt I'll ever ride street on a sport bike again.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by DLIT

I still have my R6. And I'm the fastest guy I know on the streets. But I highly doubt I'll ever ride street on a sport bike again.

My bud Chris, who was one in our "fast" group did the same thing you did. He came early up on the mountain Sunday morning, lowsided (about 90 or so) into the guardrail and broke his back. Just as I got there, they were haulin him on a stretcher. His exact words..."dude this is it for me on the streets..were goin too fast...shit is too dangerous". Now this is after seeing countless crashes and a few deaths. Well low and behold 4 months later, he was ripping it up again on the streets. Now, though...his bike got repo'd and I don't see him anymore.

You just have to find a more settled pace in a better controlled area. If you find a road that you can ride up and down, then you know there isn't going to be rocks in the middle of the road. Of course, you have to find people who will ride that same road with you or you won't be having any fun. The road you lowsided on had gravel on it. Its the chance you take when you ride a road fast that you haven't scanned the area beforehand. It's pretty risky IMO.

[Gas Man]

WOW Dlit... glad you're ok man. Watching all of that, just makes me glad I don't do it anymore.

Keep us up to date on your healing and the bike.

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

My bud Chris, who was one in our "fast" group did the same thing you did. He came early up on the mountain Sunday morning, lowsided (about 90 or so) into the guardrail and broke his back. Just as I got there, they were haulin him on a stretcher. His exact words..."dude this is it for me on the streets..were goin too fast...shit is too dangerous". Now this is after seeing countless crashes and a few deaths. Well low and behold 4 months later, he was ripping it up again on the streets. Now, though...his bike got repo'd and I don't see him anymore.

You just have to find a more settled pace in a better controlled area. If you find a road that you can ride up and down, then you know there isn't going to be rocks in the middle of the road. Of course, you have to find people who will ride that same road with you or you won't be having any fun. The road you lowsided on had gravel on it. Its the chance you take when you ride a road fast that you haven't scanned the area beforehand. It's pretty risky IMO.

That's the thing. I'm not having fun if I'm not hauling ass anymore. It's kind of an all or nothing type thing with me. Even the track is still up in the air. I'd have to sell all my street fairings just so I wouldn't be tempted.

My insurance is gonna sky rocket after I claim the R1. I probably couldn't afford keeping the R6 fully covered anyway. Off the street it will come.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by DLIT

That's the thing. I'm not having fun if I'm not hauling ass anymore. It's kind of an all or nothing type thing with me. Even the track is still up in the air. I'd have to sell all my street fairings just so I wouldn't be tempted......

Dude I've seen/heard the exact same thing 10 times. Trust me it's because your in ur 20s and you need a fast fix. I still do, but I have slowed down a little. You just need to ride track only then or your not gonna get ur fix until you get older or married lol.

[No Worries]

Originally Posted by DLIT

I still have my R6. And I'm the fastest guy I know on the streets. But I highly doubt I'll ever ride street on a sport bike again.

I know in Nevada, riding street can be well over the century mark. My friend just got back from a go-kart track with his Gixxer 1000 and he said he had a ball. Lower speeds and super tight. He wants me to take my old GS there. But I'm afraid of what happened to you could happen to me. At my age, I would take forever to heal.