Sand in the corner

itgirl · 03-11-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip

a better idea is to do a scouting run before where you can control your vehicle in your own lane and have enough control to avoid obstacles.

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Originally Posted by wildchild

sounds like a rookie mistake. poorly handled.

no worries is a skilled and seasoned rider. we could all learn alot from him. i think he made an excellent snap judement call. of course, scouting runs would be a good idea in a perfect world with ideal situations. but his decision sure beats dumping the bike in the corner.

Trip · 03-11-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by itgirl

no worries is a skilled and seasoned rider. we could all learn alot from him. i think he made an excellent snap judement call. of course, scouting runs would be a good idea in a perfect world with ideal situations. but his decision sure beats dumping the bike in the corner.

I am a skilled and seasoned rider as well. Using the other lane is never a good idea. It's last resort if you are going to plow into someone. His mistake wasn't the sand, his mistake was riding beyond the conditions of the road. Scouting runs and riding easy in unknown conditions isn't ideal situations in a perfect world, they are smart decisions by seasoned riders. Riding beyond the limits of the road and sight distance is a true blue rookie mistake.

marko138 · 03-11-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

I am a skilled and seasoned rider as well. Using the other lane is never a good idea. It's last resort if you are going to plow into someone. His mistake wasn't the sand, his mistake was riding beyond the conditions of the road. Scouting runs and riding easy in unknown conditions isn't ideal situations in a perfect world, they are smart decisions by seasoned riders. Riding beyond the limits of the road and sight distance is a true blue rookie mistake.

So we should believe you've never used the other lane?

Trip · 03-12-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by marko138

So we should believe you've never used the other lane?

Yes I use it for passing. However I don't recommend the use of it.

OreoGaborio · 03-13-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by marko138

So we should believe you've never used the other lane?

I think the point he was trying to make was that, although riding into the oncoming lane could be ONE option, it should never be your ONLY option... because now you're putting your fate in the hands of luck that no one is coming the other way.

However I suspect (hope) that No Worries probably could have probably slowed down enough to roll through it had the oncoming lane been occupied by a tractor trailer. But since the it was open, he made the choice to use that option over slowing and rolling through it, around it, whatever.

Now if going into the oncoming lane was in fact his ONLY option... then yah, rookie mistake. But he never said it was his ONLY option, thus we can't judge.

wildchild · 03-12-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by itgirl

no worries is a skilled and seasoned rider. we could all learn alot from him. i think he made an excellent snap judement call. of course, scouting runs would be a good idea in a perfect world with ideal situations. but his decision sure beats dumping the bike in the corner.

thanks but I gave up assuming the roads were clear of sand/salt/crap back in my teens and that was quite a few years ago. as far as using the other lane because you've gone too fast into a corner while assuming it is clear. Yeah I would not call that a great move either. survival move to avoid crashing due to mistakes sure but not smart all the way through.

itgirl · 03-12-2010, 02:57 PM

again i state, in a pinch it sure beats the alternative. sometimes you only have time to react. that's reality. you do what you gotta do.

No Worries · 03-12-2010, 10:59 PM

I've ridden up Lookout Mountain at least a thousand times. You wouldn't believe all the trash, animals, rocks, and vehicles that have been in my lane around the next corner, so every ride is like a scouting run. That sand is one thing that was still there on the way down when I happened to stop and happened to have my camera.

I wanted to show that I had my head cranked, that I was looking around the corner and not fixated on the sand. That I saw that there was no traffic, that I made a decision to go around the sand, and that I was able to lean a bit more. There was nobody behind me, but I hope it looked so smooth, that anyone else would have thought I had planned it.

Speaking of sand, did anyone see Keith Code's column a few months ago about putting sand in a corner? He used one of his bikes with the outriggers so it can't tip over. He put sand in a corner and told his students to just ride through the sand. The ones that just rode through had no problem. The ones who braked or tensed up "crashed".

There's always sand on roads around here after it snows, but there's usually clear tire tracks through it. There was no tire tracks through this sand. I probably could have ridden through it, but it was easier to just avoid it.

03-12-2010, 10:59 PM	#8
No Worries Keyboard Racer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mile High City Moto: Old Superbikes Posts: 1,016	I've ridden up Lookout Mountain at least a thousand times. You wouldn't believe all the trash, animals, rocks, and vehicles that have been in my lane around the next corner, so every ride is like a scouting run. That sand is one thing that was still there on the way down when I happened to stop and happened to have my camera. I wanted to show that I had my head cranked, that I was looking around the corner and not fixated on the sand. That I saw that there was no traffic, that I made a decision to go around the sand, and that I was able to lean a bit more. There was nobody behind me, but I hope it looked so smooth, that anyone else would have thought I had planned it. Speaking of sand, did anyone see Keith Code's column a few months ago about putting sand in a corner? He used one of his bikes with the outriggers so it can't tip over. He put sand in a corner and told his students to just ride through the sand. The ones that just rode through had no problem. The ones who braked or tensed up "crashed". There's always sand on roads around here after it snows, but there's usually clear tire tracks through it. There was no tire tracks through this sand. I probably could have ridden through it, but it was easier to just avoid it.