Watch out Cali folk...

[Twobanger]

It'd ring hollow, I think. Unless they put their money where their mouth is and take away longarms and semiauto pistols and give them S&W revolvers. Americans like to stick their heads in the sand and live in a bubble, but we're not stupid. If anything it'd strengthen the divide between politicians and their lackeys/enforcers and the rest of us.

Have CNN, Fox, or msnbc put any focus on the innocents getting shot up by the police, or are they glossing over it while making excuses for them?

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

It'd ring hollow, I think. Unless they put their money where their mouth is and take away longarms and semiauto pistols and give them S&W revolvers. Americans like to stick their heads in the sand and live in a bubble, but we're not stupid. If anything it'd strengthen the divide between politicians and their lackeys/enforcers and the rest of us.

Have CNN, Fox, or msnbc put any focus on the innocents getting shot up by the police, or are they glossing over it while making excuses for them?

Or you could say that if an army of armed and trained police officers cant defend themselves from one guy with a manifesto, whats a history teacher with a handgun going to do against a determined attacker.

[Twobanger]

Originally Posted by EpyonXero

Or you could say that if an army of armed and trained police officers cant defend themselves from one guy with a manifesto, whats a history teacher with a handgun going to do against a determined attacker.

Your bias against self defense and in this particular instance being afraid of shadows versus an active threat is out of place with reality. That's an apples and airplane comparison.


http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/10/t...ing-up-school/

http://248shooter.com/index.php/detr...ots-attackers/

http://youtu.be/FgrIsuO5PLc

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

Your bias against self defense and in this particular instance being afraid of shadows versus an active threat is out of place with reality. That's an apples and airplane comparison.


http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/10/t...ing-up-school/

http://248shooter.com/index.php/detr...ots-attackers/

http://youtu.be/FgrIsuO5PLc

Or pulling a gun can get you paralyzed.
http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4169986.html

Im not biased against self defense, I just dont believe that having a gun on my person will somehow protect me from incoming bullets.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

Your bias against self defense and in this particular instance being afraid of shadows versus an active threat is out of place with reality. That's an apples and airplane comparison.


http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/10/t...ing-up-school/

http://248shooter.com/index.php/detr...ots-attackers/

http://youtu.be/FgrIsuO5PLc

And perhaps......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8QjZY3WiO9s

[Twobanger]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

And perhaps......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8QjZY3WiO9s

No! That video is a farce. The "bad guy" knows who is armed in advance and where they are in the class. It's bullshit. There's a guy that was in that video that posted on arf that he traded places and was across the room from where the CHL holder was supposed to be in the skit. When the bad guy broke in he got him. That ended up on the cutting room floor.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

No! That video is a farce. The "bad guy" knows who is armed in advance and where they are in the class. It's bullshit. There's a guy that was in that video that posted on arf that he traded places and was across the room from where the CHL holder was supposed to be in the skit. When the bad guy broke in he got him. That ended up on the cutting room floor.

Seems to me that they were chopping up random people until the "armed defender" showed him or herself.

Yeah, and the AR-15 forum is the heart and soul of impartiality

The premise of that video is sound, given all of the studies regarding armed interaction. Admittedly it was roughly 25 years ago (read it around the time that I got out of college) but a former military man and police commander did a study of police gunfights and determined that on balance they took place at something less than 20 feet, emptied the weapons, and rarely resulted in injury by gunshot. And THAT involved people who were trained for it.