So the Government shut down,

[Papa_Complex]

Debt is growing, maintenance on the debt is growing, and the debt started growing with Bush but it's Obama's fault. Inflation exists. More people are on the social safety net than ever before. Your basic costs of doing business are rising, without increasing the services involved. Where does the debt ceiling go down?

[CasterTroy]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

the debt started growing with Bush but it's Obama's fault.

Yet he wanted the job Wonder what the statute of limitation on blaming the previous administration for the problems of the current administrations entire run is? I suppose The Carter administration blamed Ford for the fuel crisis too, so par for the course.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by CasterTroy

Yet he wanted the job Wonder what the statute of limitation on blaming the previous administration for the problems of the current administrations entire run is? I suppose The Carter administration blamed Ford for the fuel crisis too, so par for the course.

Supporters of the Bush II regime were blaming Carter for the crash

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Supporters of the Bush II regime were blaming Carter for the crash

And they were right... Started with Carter and made worse as the years went on. You may or may not recall, the Bush administration was trying to plug the leaks in the wall before the whole thing collapsed, and the Dem response was, "there's no problems here."

You can certainly blame the Bush administration for a lot of things, but if you get to the nuts and bolts of it, it wasn't just their doing... not by a long shot.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by CasterTroy

Yet he wanted the job Wonder what the statute of limitation on blaming the previous administration for the problems of the current administrations entire run is? I suppose The Carter administration blamed Ford for the fuel crisis too, so par for the course.

Starting to see a lot of blame going specifically towards Boehner...

This partisanship garbage is fucking ruining us... yet we live and breathe the shit... It's really scary to go back and look at what people were saying under Bush and how clearly they're tunes have changed - on BOTH sides. it's fucking sports teams...

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Starting to see a lot of blame going specifically towards Boehner...

This partisanship garbage is fucking ruining us... yet we live and breathe the shit... It's really scary to go back and look at what people were saying under Bush and how clearly they're tunes have changed - on BOTH sides. it's fucking sports teams...

Oddly enough I don't see those two statements as being at odds. Raising the debt ceiling is a failure of leadership (across the entire government) AND it's irresponsible for America to consider not paying its debts.

The ceiling does eventually have to be raised somewhat, as a matter of simple realism, due to factors like inflation. It's the AMOUNT that's at issue.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Oddly enough I don't see those two statements as being at odds. Raising the debt ceiling is a failure of leadership (across the entire government) AND it's irresponsible for America to consider not paying its debts.

The ceiling does eventually have to be raised somewhat, as a matter of simple realism, due to factors like inflation. It's the AMOUNT that's at issue.

They wouldn't be at odds if in a different context...

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

They wouldn't be at odds if in a different context...

I disagree. The Tea Partiers say not one dollar more. That's unrealistic, at best.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I disagree. The Tea Partiers say not one dollar more. That's unrealistic, at best.

Unrealistic, but a step in the right direction.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by EpyonXero

If you want to blame Obama for passing a law two years ago that Republicans dont like then sure.

That, no. On the other hand I will spread some blame to Obama for refusing to discuss any changes to that law passed 3 years ago that we now know delivers significantly less than promised, at a significantly higher cost than promised, and has been pretty much a complete disaster in implementation so far. I'll also spread some blame for refusing to discuss any potential cuts, Obamacare related or not, before a budget or debt ceiling increase is passed.

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Debt is growing, maintenance on the debt is growing, and the debt started growing with Bush but it's Obama's fault. Inflation exists. More people are on the social safety net than ever before. Your basic costs of doing business are rising, without increasing the services involved. Where does the debt ceiling go down?

Inflation? America has increased our national debt by more than 70% over the last six years. That isn't inflation.

I haven't heard anyone say they refuse to raise the debt ceiling. What I have heard consistently though is people saying they want spending reductions to get the rate at which debt is growing under control before they will increase the debt ceiling.

We can make some cuts, sequestration pretty much proved that. Despite the post-apocalyptic vision the Obama administration and their lackeys in the media desperately tried to sell about sequestration the end result has ultimately been relatively painless. I fail to see the harm in trying to hammer out some additional cuts before we write another blank check for the next year or two.