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Old 10-02-2011, 12:05 PM   #21
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Let's say the government decides you, a citizen are a threat to national security. Would you like a trial like the constitution says you get as a citizen, or just a pre-emptive strike where we totally discard your rights and wipe you out, even though you haven't really done anything and nobody really thinks you have? Think carefully before you answer...
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Old 10-02-2011, 04:25 PM   #22
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I wonder how Americans will feel when Islamists (Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, palestinians, pick one) decide to execute the "terrorists" in America, on American soil, like a mall, transport hub, or sporting event, who have invaded their lands and killed their people?

Will we be OK with getting what we have been giving?

It is not a matter of who started what and when, it is a matter of where and how it will end.

We fire Hellfire rounds at "targets" without regard for who else may be there, but it is not acceptable for them to detonate backpacks or vests in public here?

Is it going to be OK for Islamists to execute people in America who are on their "hit Lists?"
You are speaking like this is some kind of hypothetical. I'd say this has been happening for quite a while.
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Old 10-02-2011, 04:41 PM   #23
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Let's say the government decides you, a citizen are a threat to national security. Would you like a trial like the constitution says you get as a citizen, or just a pre-emptive strike where we totally discard your rights and wipe you out, even though you haven't really done anything and nobody really thinks you have? Think carefully before you answer...
You present it like these are the only two alternatives.

Personally if I were deemed a threat to national security I would select the trial. I'd do so because I know I probably won't see the inside of a courtroom anytime soon, if ever. What the trial really means is I chill in Yemen for the foreseeable future, protected by my "tribe" from the US and Yemeni governments.

In short, I'd choose the trial because I know the trial will probably never happen.
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Old 10-02-2011, 04:58 PM   #24
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This article makes the assumption that Presidential approval was obtained or even required.
He is the commander in chief. If people are taking this type of actions without his knowledge, he should of been out screaming this is NOT what we do to American citizens and people took action without his knowledge. This is HIS responsibility as the biggest boss of the military.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:14 PM   #25
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He is the commander in chief. If people are taking this type of actions without his knowledge, he should of been out screaming this is NOT what we do to American citizens and people took action without his knowledge. This is HIS responsibility as the biggest boss of the military.
OK, maybe since this was a US citizen, he was consulted, but otherwise.......I suspect that a large percentage, or even most, of the people we've killed with drones weren't even on the most-wanted list. He isn't going to know about those people, nor does he need to. Stuff like this has been happening almost every week for the past 5 years.
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Old 10-02-2011, 06:15 PM   #26
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Let's say the government decides you, a citizen are a threat to national security. Would you like a trial like the constitution says you get as a citizen, or just a pre-emptive strike where we totally discard your rights and wipe you out, even though you haven't really done anything and nobody really thinks you have? Think carefully before you answer...
As I said, I don't know that many details about this guy. I'm assuming that he was big enough of a deal that the President was willing to drop bombs in another country that we aren't warring with to get this guy. I'm assuming this guy is a bad mama-jama

This guy didn't just give aide and comfort to the enemy by taking some nice pictures and hugging a tank. He became the enemy and started driving the tank.

Now if this guy surrendered to the US or just happend to somehow get captured then yes, he deserves his trial and to be executed if convicted. Since he didn't, he deserved the bombing he got.

I think President Obama did the right thing.
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Old 10-02-2011, 06:28 PM   #27
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Let's say the government decides you, a citizen are a threat to national security. Would you like a trial like the constitution says you get as a citizen, or just a pre-emptive strike where we totally discard your rights and wipe you out, even though you haven't really done anything and nobody really thinks you have? Think carefully before you answer...
Sort of like Obama and Biden refering to TeaParty folks as terrorists?
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Old 10-02-2011, 06:49 PM   #28
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Sort of like Obama and Biden refering to TeaParty folks as terrorists?
When did this happen?
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:22 PM   #29
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Uhhh....I'm pretty sure the line is clear here. You don't execute US citizens without them being sentenced to death row by jury trail.

Really shouldn't be executing anybody at this point, but hey, that's another thread.
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When did this happen?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/poli...to-terrorists/
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