2008 Kx450F or Yz450F?

Apoc · 01-23-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TYEster

I know I told him over PM.

But it is what it is.

Dude. We grew up in the countryside. We both have a ton of experience in dirt (mostly 2 strokes). You guys make it sound like he doesnt know what he's getting into. He asked for advice on 2 different bikes, not advice on how many CC's he should get.

I wouldnt buy anything less than a 450f for dirt either. And yes, I have ridden them on multiple occasions.

TYEster · 01-23-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc

Dude. We grew up in the countryside. We both have a ton of experience in dirt (mostly 2 strokes). You guys make it sound like he doesnt know what he's getting into. He asked for advice on 2 different bikes, not advice on how many CC's he should get.

I wouldnt buy anything less than a 450f for dirt either. And yes, I have ridden them on multiple occasions.

Ok that's great. Have fun with it, it's not my life so I don't care lol.

I just simply stated if you have 0 experience, it will be too much.

Apoc · 01-23-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TYEster

Ok that's great. Have fun with it, it's not my life so I don't care lol.

I just simply stated if you have 0 experience, it will be too much.

And he's stated, in this thread already, that he has more than zero experience. Much more.

We grew up in a town where its as easy to get around with a dirtbike as it is with a car. When city kids were riding bicycles, we were riding dirtbikes, quads, and sleds. Off road is nothing new to him or I. I dunno why thats so hard for you guys to understand. I dunno where you get this zero experience idea.

And after riding my friend Cliffords yz450f. i'd have to say its pretty docile compared to 250 and 500 2-strokes.

TYEster · 01-23-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc

And he's stated, in this thread already, that he has more than zero experience. Much more.

We grew up in a town where its as easy to get around with a dirtbike as it is with a car. When city kids were riding bicycles, we were riding dirtbikes, quads, and sleds. Off road is nothing new to him or I. I dunno why thats so hard for you guys to understand. I dunno where you get this zero experience idea.

And after riding my friend Cliffords yz450f. i'd have to say its pretty docile compared to 250 and 500 2-strokes.

Alright, I'm done here.

Apoc · 01-23-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TYEster

Alright, I'm done here.

Thats fine. You still never answered the original question though.

I dont want you to take this the wrong way, because we've been friends here and cf for a long time, but how can you judge what other people should ride when you have never even ridden with them?

If there was a reason behind your opinions, i'd put a little more stock in them. But your talking like your the only person here who rides dirt, and acting like he couldnt possibly handle a 450, when you have no idea what his riding skills are in the first place.

I mean seriously, you've been riding dirt for what, 5 years? We've been doing it since we were 5 years old. We know the difference between a trail and dirt bike, and where each excels. We arent the idiots you seem to be trying to make us out to be.

TYEster · 01-23-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc

Thats fine. You still never answered the original question though.

I dont want you to take this the wrong way, because we've been friends here and cf for a long time, but how can you judge what other people should ride when you have never even ridden with them?

If there was a reason behind your opinions, i'd put a little more stock in them. But your talking like your the only person here who rides dirt, and acting like he couldnt possibly handle a 450, when you have no idea what his riding skills are in the first place.

I mean seriously, you've been riding dirt for what, 5 years? We've been doing it since we were 5 years old. We know the difference between a trail and dirt bike, and where each excels. We arent the idiots you seem to be trying to make us out to be.

Alright what's the original question - Which bike? I say YZ because I'm a Yamaha fan based on my history and availability of dealerships and the few diehard ones that actually race and sponsor the tracks around here.

I'm not making you out to be idiots. If you have previous experience that's fine. But when he doesn't go into specific detail about some of his questions and comments how am I supposed to respond? I mean, if you're experienced enough as you make yourselves out to be, why ask what kinda gear he needs besides the usual? Well... What's your guys idea of usual? I've seen country side trail riders use a helmet and jeans for gear. But if you go to a certain track with dirt filled with lots of pebbles and stones - a roost protector is listed on the rule sign as part of a "necessary" requirement. These aren't really the type of questions that go along with a 450 purchase so you got my responses.

BTW who else actually rides dirt here and doesn't agree with me? He asked what we thought. If you guys don't like it, don't ask.

Apoc · 01-24-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TYEster

Alright what's the original question - Which bike? I say YZ because I'm a Yamaha fan based on my history and availability of dealerships and the few diehard ones that actually race and sponsor the tracks around here.

I'm not making you out to be idiots. If you have previous experience that's fine. But when he doesn't go into specific detail about some of his questions and comments how am I supposed to respond? I mean, if you're experienced enough as you make yourselves out to be, why ask what kinda gear he needs besides the usual? Well... What's your guys idea of usual? I've seen country side trail riders use a helmet and jeans for gear. But if you go to a certain track with dirt filled with lots of pebbles and stones - a roost protector is listed on the rule sign as part of a "necessary" requirement. These aren't really the type of questions that go along with a 450 purchase so you got my responses.

BTW who else actually rides dirt here and doesn't agree with me? He asked what we thought. If you guys don't like it, don't ask.

I dont think he was asking about riding gear, I think he was asking about accessories for the bike. Guages, filters, stuff that would make maintaining/monitoring the bike an easier job. I dont think he was asking about helmets, boots, and riding armor. He should damn well know what he needs in that department.

I know that would be my problem with them. I never owned a 4 stroke dirtbike, and I wouldnt know the first thing about accessories for them. 2 strokes were easy. Ride it till it pops, replace the top end, and ride again. Something tells me the 4 strokes arent so simple.

CasterTroy · 01-24-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Apoc

And after riding my friend Cliffords yz450f. i'd have to say its pretty docile compared to 250 and 500 2-strokes.

Sorry...that right there's just funny

Apoc · 01-24-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CasterTroy

Sorry...that right there's just funny

If you think so... Theres a reason the cr/kx500's were called backbreakers. If you think a 450/4 is anywhere near as crazy as a 500/2, then you have obviously never ridden a 500cc 2 stroke.

CasterTroy · 01-24-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Apoc

If you think a 450/4 is anywhere near as crazy as a 500/2, then you have obviously never ridden a 500cc 2 stroke.

Obviously

First off...you assume a lot my friend

Second...I never said the 450's WERE as crazy stupid as a 500. I was laughing at the docile comment. You rode ONE 450 and deemed them "docile"

500 I'll give you as being flat out stupid. And no...never rode the CR500. Those you just don't find around here, however, I rode a KX500 at the beach several years ago (sand being much more forgiving and not letting you realize how much power is actually going to the wheel) then again prior to buying the zuke I now have. I was looking for a insane bike to motard out. Drove 4 hours to BUY this last bike with cash in hand, since I had ridden one before. But changed my mind after the ride on actual DIRT.

It had more power (in a very small range of the rpm) than the 450's I rode. But it was a very different power.

The best way to describe it was to compare the 500 2-smoke to a nitrous injected chevy 350 4-bolt main that made 600 hp (when juiced) in a vega. The 450's were 500ci BB's that made 600hp on motor alone in an f-body.

The big block delivers consistent power from 1500rpm to 5000 rpm and throws you back in the seat but with great fury.

The 350 on juice has nothing until 3000 and you hit the button...then the front wheels of that vega develop altitude sickness as the nose of the car suddenly shoots skyward and the left tire hooks up and shoots the car violently into the righthand guardrail
I did not like the delivery on the 500 at all, but I wouldn’t call a 450 docile in comparison. As the 450 will get you in just as much trouble if you're not respecting it.

Now…for the 250 2-smoke, ridden PLENTY of those, and YES a CR250. Owned a 2000 KX250 for several years. And while I loved my KX250 it didn’t have NEARLY the utter POWER and thrust that any 450 I’ve ridden has. To call ANY 450 docile compared to a 250 2-smoke is funny to me. Because if you’re not careful, you WILL wheelie most 450’s in ANY GEAR just above the middle of the rpm range.

BTW...the 250-2 smoke in the comparo would be a 500hp turbo civic drag car