Minor Winter Project - installing suspension worth 1/3 of the bike

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Brakes? I could replace the brake lines with stainless, but I've found that I get most of the benefit of them with just a pad swap.
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Truth..

I've added steel lines to 2 cars and 1 bike, and couldn't tell the difference. Never again.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Truth..

I've added steel lines to 2 cars and 1 bike, and couldn't tell the difference. Never again.

It's worth doing after maybe 5 years, after the stock lines have started to give under pressure, but really not with a newish bike.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

It's worth doing after maybe 5 years, after the stock lines have started to give under pressure, but really not with a newish bike.

What? Aw shoot, I thought there was talk about him upgrading his old CBR and I thought that he should get a newer bike instead... A friend of mine just got an '06 GSXR1000 for $2800. No bs. He's still in Michigan so the bike had low miles. All it needed was tires and some minor body work. Just saying that swapping the old CBR for this GSXR WOULD be a suspension upgrade...and a brake upgrade...ect...

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

It's worth doing after maybe 5 years, after the stock lines have started to give under pressure, but really not with a newish bike.

To each their own...steel lines are right after the exhaust for me on a new bike.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

To each their own...steel lines are right after the exhaust for me on a new bike.

Try EBC or SBS sintered pads next time, first.

I tend not to decide on what mods to make until I've actually ridden the bike

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Try EBC or SBS sintered pads next time, first.

I tend not to decide on what mods to make until I've actually ridden the bike

Do I smell an insult? I do replace the pads as well (I'm running Ferodo now but I also like Dunlopad, I've often used EBC/SBS pads in the past) and I do ride a bike before I modify it... The experience of owning about 10 bikes tells me that I like steel lines and sintered pads on the brakes. Regardless of how good you think your brakes are, steel lines make them better. An opinion of course but one shared by most serious riders. You take pictures of racers, how many still use the stock brake lines? None that I know...

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Do I smell an insult? I do replace the pads as well (I'm running Ferodo now but I also like Dunlopad, I've often used EBC/SBS pads in the past) and I do ride a bike before I modify it... The experience of owning about 10 bikes tells me that I like steel lines and sintered pads on the brakes. Regardless of how good you think your brakes are, steel lines make them better. An opinion of course but one shared by most serious riders. You take pictures of racers, how many still use the stock brake lines? None that I know...

Not an insult; just a comment on how so many riders seem to toss a pipe on the bike without even knowing how it performs or sounds.

I used to think that about braided lines too. Then I did the math by checking out the expansion numbers on the various types of lines. Compared to new regular rubber lines there really isn't a whole lot of objective performance increase, when you consider the minimal amount of pressure that the human hand is capable of applying.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Not an insult; just a comment on how so many riders seem to toss a pipe on the bike without even knowing how it performs or sounds.

I used to think that about braided lines too. Then I did the math by checking out the expansion numbers on the various types of lines. Compared to new regular rubber lines there really isn't a whole lot of objective performance increase, when you consider the minimal amount of pressure that the human hand is capable of applying.

well, I always swap out the pipe... I like the noise and the look period. I don't know anyone, other than you guys that doesn't say that steel lines have better feel and less fade... To each their own. I know quite a few "fast" street guys that think the stock suspension is "good enough" for the street so... No Worries is the fastest guy on lookout mountain with an old CBR with a stock suspension... You say that suspension mods are "necessary" and I say that brake mods are "necessary", since I'm paying for the mods on my bike and you're paying for the mods on your bike, I guess we're both right.