$447 bil

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by RACER X

thats a lot of $ to conjure up outta thin air

extend unemplyment out to 3yrs from 2........'

though on my short stint of unemployment (6 mos) i think the federal $ was like $25/wk if that.

Hell, if you make $300 a week and get unemployed and make $250 a week. Why the hell would you get a job? And for 3 years? I wish I was "let go" before I went to full time student. That'd get me through my entire bachelor's. Then use money made on the side to fund my graduate schooling. Sucks going to school 4 days a week and working 2-3 days on the weekend.

Homeslice:
The Republicans don't applaud becuase they know any money for education is not meant for the kids. It is meant for the teachers and their unions but more importantly vote buying. Same for the Republicans and the military. Republicans get more military votes so they want to throw the money that way.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Hell, if you make $300 a week and get unemployed and make $250 a week. Why the hell would you get a job? And for 3 years? I wish I was "let go" before I went to full time student. That'd get me through my entire bachelor's. Then use money made on the side to fund my graduate schooling. Sucks going to school 4 days a week and working 2-3 days on the weekend.

well unemployment doesn't work that way.......its graduated, so the less you make normally, the lower your payment, and it goes up as you make more. and there is a cap, and its state specific. TX is a little over $400, washington state $800.....but to get the $400 or $800/wk, my guess is you have to making over $50k a yr.....

and like i said the Federal part of my unemployment $ was like $25/wk

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Homeslice:
The Republicans don't applaud becuase they know any money for education is not meant for the kids. It is meant for the teachers and their unions but more importantly vote buying.

So it's not possible that some of the money could be used to actually renovate the schools and buy new equipment?

Oh, and even if the money went towards teacher salaries, that's not a bad thing IF their credentials & performance are monitored. Right now, the best & brightest don't want to be teachers because the salaries suck.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

So it's not possible that some of the money could be used to actually renovate the schools and buy new equipment?

Oh, and even if the money went towards teacher salaries, that's not a bad thing IF their credentials & performance are monitored. Right now, the best & brightest don't want to be teachers because the salaries suck.

The Greeks learned on rock cliffs in the outdoors. Schools should be built pretty much how (or at least last time I was on one) a military base is. Basic boring designs with boring desks and boring everything. Schools shouldn't look like the Taj Mahal.

The problem is that they won't monitor teacher performance. I remember a while back, D.C. offered teachers the chance to potentially make $150k (averging 60-70k then) a year based on performance. The Union wouldn't even let it come to a vote.

Teachers do pretty damn well for themselves. Especially when they take side jobs in the summer. Plus their benefits rival those of CEOs. Really good teachers don't take the job becuase they don't want to bust their asses and do everything they can to help children achieve when they will make less than a sorry ass teacher who sleeps in class because they have seniority.

Education can't be fixed by launching more money at it.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

The Greeks learned on rock cliffs in the outdoors. Schools should be built pretty much how (or at least last time I was on one) a military base is. Basic boring designs with boring desks and boring everything. Schools shouldn't look like the Taj Mahal.

The problem is that they won't monitor teacher performance. I remember a while back, D.C. offered teachers the chance to potentially make $150k (averging 60-70k then) a year based on performance. The Union wouldn't even let it come to a vote.

Teachers do pretty damn well for themselves. Especially when they take side jobs in the summer. Plus their benefits rival those of CEOs. Really good teachers don't take the job becuase they don't want to bust their asses and do everything they can to help children achieve when they will make less than a sorry ass teacher who sleeps in class because they have seniority.

Education can't be fixed by launching more money at it.

The only place teachers are making 60-70K is places like DC and NY due to the cost of living. Meanwhile, a first-year banking analyst, lawyer, or private military contractor in those cities is making $100-120K.

Go to a more typical city like Louisville or Indianapolis, and teachers make only like $30K

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

The only place teachers are making 60-70K is places like DC and NY due to the cost of living. Meanwhile, a first-year banking analyst, lawyer, or private military contractor in those cities is making $100-120K.

Go to a more typical city like Louisville or Indianapolis, and teachers make only like $30K

Really?

Because according to this site, average teacher's salary is $44k in Kentucky... and you better fucking believe they make more in the bigger cities...
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/ave...-kentucky.html

Indiana - $47k.

For 9 months work.

Starting salary might not be amazing, but there are plenty of office jobs for people right out of school that make less AND you need to work a full year to make that...

Teachers making peanuts is a fucking myth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bpb9DymmoU

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Really?

Because according to this site, average teacher's salary is $44k in Kentucky... and you better fucking believe they make more in the bigger cities...
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/ave...-kentucky.html

Indiana - $47k.

For 9 months work.

Starting salary might not be amazing, but there are plenty of office jobs for people right out of school that make less AND you need to work a full year to make that...

Teachers making peanuts is a fucking myth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bpb9DymmoU

OK fine, but let's compare being a teacher to the "typical" $47K/yr job...........Which one is more important? Which one has more impact on people's lives and our country's future?

And the whole "they only work 9 months" is kind of a myth too. Yeah let's show up on day 1 of school without doing any prep work...... sounds like a teacher who won't get very far in their career

[dubbs]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Really?

Teachers making peanuts is a fucking myth...

That video is funny, at the end of it they say its all about the kids and not about the money.. So if they're making way more than average americans anyway why are they still at rallys saying they aren't paid enough?

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by dubbs

That video is funny, at the end of it they say its all about the kids and not about the money.. So if they're making way more than average americans anyway why are they still at rallys saying they aren't paid enough?

Making way more than average Americans? I thought the average was like 45

[derf]

So am I the only one who thought that the speech was purely political with 0% chance of anything actually coming from it?

Really, what i got out of the speech was the prez introducing a few programs that go against the GOP stances. This way in the upcoming election the dems can (any of them) say look at what we are trying to do for America, but the GOP is going against you and only for what their party wants.

Also, has everyone else forgotten about the budget comitee that needs to slash trillions off the federal budget by November?