Passing at the track - Page 6

smileyman · 07-27-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

cocaine is a helluva drug.

Posting and editting from the Nokia. I honestly have no clue how that happened.

Trip · 07-27-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by defector

This is what I hated about my first track day in Intermediate. Fuckers trying to bully me all over the track. Fuck that noise - I don't scare that easily.

If they are faster, don't pick up the throttle so fast and let them go ahead and then you have a free track. Track days aren't a race. They aren't loving being right on your butt either. A little courtesy by you or them and the day is more fun for everyone.

defector · 07-27-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

If they are faster, don't pick up the throttle so fast and let them go ahead and then you have a free track. Track days aren't a race. They aren't loving being right on your butt either. A little courtesy by you or them and the day is more fun for everyone.

I was out there to work on my list of wanted/needed improvements. Getting out of their way wasn't one of those things.

They were just being assholes.

Trip · 07-27-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by defector

I was out there to work on my list of wanted/needed improvements. Getting out of their way wasn't one of those things.

They were just being assholes.

I am not saying get out of their way or even change your line. Just don't pick up the throttle as fast as normal. It doesn't really effect you all that much and they will go by much quicker. If you don't go right away, they will go around. You won't effect your lines or your corner speed (where you need to work on thing), just your acceleration in a straight.

defector · 07-27-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

I am not saying get out of their way or even change your line. Just don't pick up the throttle as fast as normal. It doesn't really effect you all that much and they will go by much quicker. If you don't go right away, they will go around. You won't effect your lines or your corner speed (where you need to work on thing), just your acceleration in a straight.

Nah. They are buddies of mine. They were being assholes.

Trip · 07-27-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by defector

Nah. They are buddies of mine. They were being assholes.

Well that is your own fault, not the track day.

OreoGaborio · 07-28-2010, 05:23 PM

Here's an article that might interest some of you

http://www.tz250racing.com/The_Art_of_Passing.php

Captain Morgan · 07-28-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

Here's an article that might interest some of you

http://www.tz250racing.com/The_Art_of_Passing.php

Good article. I understand that I shouldn't do anything different. And, fyi to all, I never changed my line during the corner. If someone was going to pass me in a corner so be it, they were going to have to get around me. However, I would look over my shoulder at the beginning of the straights (both short ones and long ones), move out of the way and slow down, and wave a group of riders passed me.
After I let the group past, I would then speed up and get back on line for the next turn.

Oh, and inside passing was permitted. I realize you all think I was being unsafe, but I assure you, I was not. However, I will keep your comments in mind if I ever ride on the track again, which I doubt will happen on the strom.

TTD · 07-28-2010, 10:47 PM

Something else to consider is the mentality of the trackday rider at the event.

The reason our rules and our look back policy work is because of the type of riders we cater to.

Basically, we stress safety, courtesy, and respect.

We have no inside passing because we want riders comfortable entering the corners, without fear of someone standing them up. Also, if you crash, you won't take out the passee.

Because of our stricter passing rules, we tell riders to take a look back once in a while when coming onto the straight (IF YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT ALTERING LINE OR SPEED).

Or, if you are not comfortable doing a quick look behind... just don't go WFO on every lap when you hit the straight. If anything, chilling out for a straight will actually help you improve because it gives you a couple of extra seconds to re group.

Again, this all works at our days because of our average riders mentality. At our days, if you show someone a wheel, they are more than happy to let you by. The goal is to learn to ride better... and go home in one piece!

And just to be clear... I am NOT saying our type of days are better/worse. I am saying that there are options out there. If you don't like the way a trackday is run (be it too loose or too restricted), find another organization - don't give up on trackdays or try to fit in a mold that isn't meant for you.

DLIT · 07-29-2010, 06:49 PM

You have to be predictable and hold your lines. You're not racing. A big thing I've seen is noobs kinda late-apexing a corner and coming close to hitting others on the right line. If you're wide, stay wide. Don't shoot in in hopes to catch the apex at the last second. Decreasing radius corners exempt. You can assume a person will swing it in late in a decreasing radius.

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07-28-2010, 10:47 PM	#59
TTD Trailer Queen Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 21	Something else to consider is the mentality of the trackday rider at the event. The reason our rules and our look back policy work is because of the type of riders we cater to. Basically, we stress safety, courtesy, and respect. We have no inside passing because we want riders comfortable entering the corners, without fear of someone standing them up. Also, if you crash, you won't take out the passee. Because of our stricter passing rules, we tell riders to take a look back once in a while when coming onto the straight (IF YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT ALTERING LINE OR SPEED). Or, if you are not comfortable doing a quick look behind... just don't go WFO on every lap when you hit the straight. If anything, chilling out for a straight will actually help you improve because it gives you a couple of extra seconds to re group. Again, this all works at our days because of our average riders mentality. At our days, if you show someone a wheel, they are more than happy to let you by. The goal is to learn to ride better... and go home in one piece! And just to be clear... I am NOT saying our type of days are better/worse. I am saying that there are options out there. If you don't like the way a trackday is run (be it too loose or too restricted), find another organization - don't give up on trackdays or try to fit in a mold that isn't meant for you. __________________ Tony Trackdays in NY, NJ, and NH www.TonysTrackDays.com Last edited by TTD; 07-28-2010 at 10:52 PM..

07-29-2010, 06:49 PM	#60
DLIT Clit Commander Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Las Vegas Moto: 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Posts: 4,189	You have to be predictable and hold your lines. You're not racing. A big thing I've seen is noobs kinda late-apexing a corner and coming close to hitting others on the right line. If you're wide, stay wide. Don't shoot in in hopes to catch the apex at the last second. Decreasing radius corners exempt. You can assume a person will swing it in late in a decreasing radius. __________________ Dress for the crash. Not the ride.