How to hang off the bike

dReWpY · 07-31-2008, 07:47 PM

good to know that i can try hard enough when i am trying my hardest...

need more seat time on the track and "special" Gap time this fall and winter

DLIT · 07-31-2008, 07:50 PM

You know what, Chris? I read through all of my posts and I saw the post I made about what you said, but I didn't break it down like you. I mentioned that I set up before the turn in and all I have to do is initiate lean and move my torso off with the bike.

I will add that what you mentioned was one more adjustment I made that brought my times down even further.

ceo012384 · 07-31-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DLIT

You know what, Chris? I read through all of my posts and I saw the post I made about what you said, but I didn't break it down like you. I mentioned that I set up before the turn in and all I have to do is initiate lean and move my torso off with the bike.

I will add that what you mentioned was one more adjustment I made that brought my times down even further.

Apology accepted

I found it really helpful to add it at one of my reference points. When I first tried moving my 'butt off' movement back before braking I wasn't doing it consistently in the right place.

Also... it makes you realize that you can brake later and harder, because it's one less thing to worry about at turn-in. When you're about to turn in and you don't have to move your butt around a lot, there isn't anything going on... so you realize you can move your markers up a little bit, since you've taken care of the movement way back beforehand.

Trip · 07-31-2008, 07:55 PM

We need to get you down to the gap. It helps you a ton. Just so many different turns and setups through one run it's incredible and teaches you a ton.

DLIT · 07-31-2008, 07:56 PM

Later and harder is not always a good thing. Your suspension has to recover more from it. Smoother is better. When you brake normally your suspension is balanced better allowing you to accelerate harder out of the turn. braking later should be more for racing, but it doesn't hurt to practice it. I guess it's all in the rider's perspective of how much later and harder it is. Later and harder for me could be normal for some people.

ceo012384 · 07-31-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

We need to get you down to the gap. It helps you a ton. Just so many different turns and setups through one run it's incredible and teaches you a ton.

Don't remind me that I was supposed to go down there and couldn't

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Originally Posted by DLIT

Later and harder is not always a good thing. Your suspension has to recover more from it. Smoother is better. When you brake normally your suspension is balanced better allowing you to accelerate harder out of the turn. braking later should be more for racing, but it doesn't hurt to practice it. I guess it's all in the rider's perspective of how much later and harder it is. Later and harder for me could be normal for some people.

Yeah that's a good point. I think it's good to know HOW late and hard you can brake though, so you can do it if necessary.

Anyways I was just saying when you're not shifting around in the seat when you're about to turn in, you can move all your braking markers up even if you brake the same exact way.

OreoGaborio · 08-07-2008, 07:18 PM

Just a friendly reminder... those wishing to start experimenting with body positioning from "scratch" first need to build a solid foundation... and that starts from the waist UP, not the waist down. (with the exception of your toes... get on the balls of your feet! :P)

Start by relaxing your arms and your grip... you should be able to sit in the riding position with your arms at your SIDES... you should not be relying on your arms to hold up your upper body. This takes a LOT more practice than you think, especially on a bike w/ low hand controls.... This is something just about every rider out there can improve on, even at the racing level.

Second is your eyes and your chin... lead the bike into the turn with your eyes & chin by pointing them THROUGH the direction of turn before you begin to lean the bike.

Third is your shoulders.... Keeping your shoulders relatively square to the bike, lean forward a little and use your inside shoulder the same way you use your chin/eyes.... lead the bike with your inside shoulder and point it through the turn.

Last step before "haning off" is your inside butt cheek.... just weight it a little as you point your eyes, chin and shoulder into the turn. This will keep you from curving your spine and "dipping" your shoulder down instead of pointing it through.

This will get you on your way to hanging off like the pros

dReWpY · 08-08-2008, 01:38 PM

ur gonna make a nice addition to the board

07-31-2008, 07:50 PM	#2
DLIT Clit Commander Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Las Vegas Moto: 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Posts: 4,189	You know what, Chris? I read through all of my posts and I saw the post I made about what you said, but I didn't break it down like you. I mentioned that I set up before the turn in and all I have to do is initiate lean and move my torso off with the bike. I will add that what you mentioned was one more adjustment I made that brought my times down even further. __________________ Dress for the crash. Not the ride.

07-31-2008, 07:56 PM	#5
DLIT Clit Commander Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Las Vegas Moto: 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Posts: 4,189	Later and harder is not always a good thing. Your suspension has to recover more from it. Smoother is better. When you brake normally your suspension is balanced better allowing you to accelerate harder out of the turn. braking later should be more for racing, but it doesn't hurt to practice it. I guess it's all in the rider's perspective of how much later and harder it is. Later and harder for me could be normal for some people. __________________ Dress for the crash. Not the ride.

08-07-2008, 07:18 PM	#7
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	Just a friendly reminder... those wishing to start experimenting with body positioning from "scratch" first need to build a solid foundation... and that starts from the waist UP, not the waist down. (with the exception of your toes... get on the balls of your feet! :P) Start by relaxing your arms and your grip... you should be able to sit in the riding position with your arms at your SIDES... you should not be relying on your arms to hold up your upper body. This takes a LOT more practice than you think, especially on a bike w/ low hand controls.... This is something just about every rider out there can improve on, even at the racing level. Second is your eyes and your chin... lead the bike into the turn with your eyes & chin by pointing them THROUGH the direction of turn before you begin to lean the bike. Third is your shoulders.... Keeping your shoulders relatively square to the bike, lean forward a little and use your inside shoulder the same way you use your chin/eyes.... lead the bike with your inside shoulder and point it through the turn. Last step before "haning off" is your inside butt cheek.... just weight it a little as you point your eyes, chin and shoulder into the turn. This will keep you from curving your spine and "dipping" your shoulder down instead of pointing it through. This will get you on your way to hanging off like the pros __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)