weapon for concealed carry

Adeptus_Minor · 03-02-2009, 08:10 PM

Bah, don't listen to the snobs.
Taurus has always done me right for the money.
Are they superior to the high dollar Euro or American marks? Probably not, but for average range, carry, or hunting use, I doubt most people would see an appreciable difference.

Amber Lamps · 03-02-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Bah, don't listen to the snobs.
Taurus has always done me right for the money.
Are they superior to the high dollar Euro or American marks? Probably not, but for average range, carry, or hunting use, I doubt most people would see an appreciable difference.

Amen! What I REALLY find funny is that some of the same guys who push the expensive guns wear cheapo <$200 helmets!!!

OTB · 03-02-2009, 08:59 PM

JMHO:

Nothing wrong with good used guns. If it's a carry gun, it means you intend to bet your life on it functioning first time every time so test it with a lot of rounds before you buy it. If you don't know guns, spend a few bucks and have a good gunsmith check it out.

Taurus...any of them built in the last 10 or so years are stone reliable...but all the units I've shot have stock high effort and very crunchy triggers, but can be cleaned up with a little smithing.

S&W... very good quality but high effort DA triggers but good smiths with SW experience abound.

Colt... wheelguns are expensive but the closest to custom ready...autos are expensive but need a little work. Small and medium framed Colt wheelguns are a bit fragile when stoked with a regular diet of +p's, but they do need the least amount of tuning when you find a good used one with low round counts. They ALL shoot sweet.

Ruger... some of the best guns built for the money. Period.

Glock... stone reliable, shoot well, good used units can be had in the $400 range.

HK... some of the finest handguns built if money is no object.

Walther... usually very good. Pricey.

Star... Spanish builder that put out some pretty rough stuff in the 70's and early 80's, but really improved quality in the last 20 years. They are no longer imported into the states, but good used examples can be had for $2-300. I have a PD and a Firestar M40 and they have literally 1000's of rounds through them without a single jam or misfire. The M40 is steel and heavy, but shoots very well and the PD in 45 ACP was my comp gun for years and now serves as my carry gun that I switch off with a venerable 44 sp. Charter Arms pitbull.

There are bunches of 1911 clone builders out there and most are pretty pricey.

Sig...wonderful guns but pricey.

Para Ordnance...expensive and uneven quality.

Kel-Tec...lightweight, tiny.....and crap. Had three; bought one and had it replaced by the factory twice more....none of them shot reliably and I tried every 9mm ammo out there. I was tired of heavier guns and REALLY wanted the Kel-tec to work cause of the light weight, but I wouldn't bet my life on one.

Beretta...never shot one (fancy that) but the US Armed Forces and a slew of law enforcement departments can't be wrong, right?

Cutty72 · 03-02-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OTB

Beretta...never shot one (fancy that) but the US Armed Forces and a slew of law enforcement departments can't be wrong, right?

Yes, yes they can be.
Remember the army motto. Quality only matters if it's made by the lowest bidder.
Army's 9mil sucks. Heavy, big, not accurate, and not the easiest to field strip

BobTheBiker · 03-03-2009, 12:03 AM

and as I hear it, most GIs are trading in those beretta M9's for 1911's anywhere they can get hands on a 1911. why? ohhhh I dont know, maybe its because the 1911 has been the standard issue and damned reliable since ww2 perhaps?

Given the choice, a 1911 variant would CERTAINLY be my choice, but thats well out of my budget. I'm wanting an entry level pistol to start off and later when I'm bringing in money I'll buy a fancier pistol to replace my hi point as the carry weapon, or alternate them.

Amorok · 03-03-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheBiker

and as I hear it, most GIs are trading in those beretta M9's for 1911's anywhere they can get hands on a 1911. why? ohhhh I dont know, maybe its because the 1911 has been the standard issue and damned reliable since ww2 perhaps?

Actually the 1911 was replaced by the Beretta 92 FS in 1985, so for the last 20 years it has been the standard. Doesn't change the fact that it's shit.

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Originally Posted by BobTheBiker

Given the choice, a 1911 variant would CERTAINLY be my choice, but thats well out of my budget. I'm wanting an entry level pistol to start off and later when I'm bringing in money I'll buy a fancier pistol to replace my hi point as the carry weapon, or alternate them.

Listen, buying a cheaper pistol is fine, but don't buy a Hi-Point. They are unrelaible junk. Seriously, they aren't entry level pistols, they're advanced clubs. Get a Taurus, get a Charles Daly, or look at the used market. Sites like Gunbroker.com, gunsamerica.com, and auctionarms.com will help you with price indexing, and you might just find a deal on there.

Adeptus_Minor · 03-03-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Amorok

Listen, buying a cheaper pistol is fine, but don't buy a Hi-Point. They are unrelaible junk. Seriously, they aren't entry level pistols, they're advanced clubs. Get a Taurus, get a Charles Daly, or look at the used market. Sites like Gunbroker.com, gunsamerica.com, and auctionarms.com will help you with price indexing, and you might just find a deal on there.

Yeah... what he said.

fnfalman · 03-03-2009, 10:41 AM

All of those who tout GI issued M1911A1 obviously have neither handled nor shot them. Listen, they ain't like your Kimber Custom Carry or your Les Baer Elite Tactical. They were and are a bunch of rattling pieces of shits.

Smittie61984 · 03-03-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutty72

Yes, yes they can be.
Remember the army motto. Quality only matters if it's made by the lowest bidder.
Army's 9mil sucks. Heavy, big, not accurate, and not the easiest to field strip

Buddy of mine was in the Navy when they got issued the Beretta. From what he told me, it was a competition between Beretta and Ruger. But we were wanting to patch some political shit with Italy so we got the Beretta despite the Ruger tested better and I believe was slightly cheaper.

Most cops I know with Beretta hate it and woudl rather have a S&W.

03-02-2009, 08:10 PM	#1
Adeptus_Minor Hopster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: 2009 Buell 1125R Posts: 4,743	Bah, don't listen to the snobs. Taurus has always done me right for the money. Are they superior to the high dollar Euro or American marks? Probably not, but for average range, carry, or hunting use, I doubt most people would see an appreciable difference. __________________ “Well, obviously before; after was all gendarmes and dick stitches.”

03-03-2009, 10:41 AM	#8
fnfalman Europhile Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SoCal Moto: Aprilia RS125, Aprilia SR50 Factory, Aprilia Tuono, BMW Rockster, KTM 990 Adventure Posts: 1,875	All of those who tout GI issued M1911A1 obviously have neither handled nor shot them. Listen, they ain't like your Kimber Custom Carry or your Les Baer Elite Tactical. They were and are a bunch of rattling pieces of shits. __________________ *Cogito Ergo Vroom - I think therefore I ride*

03-02-2009, 08:59 PM	#3
OTB The Man Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: CrabTown USA Moto: 00 Bimota DB4 Posts: 823	JMHO: Nothing wrong with good used guns. If it's a carry gun, it means you intend to bet your life on it functioning first time every time so test it with a lot of rounds before you buy it. If you don't know guns, spend a few bucks and have a good gunsmith check it out. Taurus...any of them built in the last 10 or so years are stone reliable...but all the units I've shot have stock high effort and very crunchy triggers, but can be cleaned up with a little smithing. S&W... very good quality but high effort DA triggers but good smiths with SW experience abound. Colt... wheelguns are expensive but the closest to custom ready...autos are expensive but need a little work. Small and medium framed Colt wheelguns are a bit fragile when stoked with a regular diet of +p's, but they do need the least amount of tuning when you find a good used one with low round counts. They ALL shoot sweet. Ruger... some of the best guns built for the money. Period. Glock... stone reliable, shoot well, good used units can be had in the $400 range. HK... some of the finest handguns built if money is no object. Walther... usually very good. Pricey. Star... Spanish builder that put out some pretty rough stuff in the 70's and early 80's, but really improved quality in the last 20 years. They are no longer imported into the states, but good used examples can be had for $2-300. I have a PD and a Firestar M40 and they have literally 1000's of rounds through them without a single jam or misfire. The M40 is steel and heavy, but shoots very well and the PD in 45 ACP was my comp gun for years and now serves as my carry gun that I switch off with a venerable 44 sp. Charter Arms pitbull. There are bunches of 1911 clone builders out there and most are pretty pricey. Sig...wonderful guns but pricey. Para Ordnance...expensive and uneven quality. Kel-Tec...lightweight, tiny.....and crap. Had three; bought one and had it replaced by the factory twice more....none of them shot reliably and I tried every 9mm ammo out there. I was tired of heavier guns and REALLY wanted the Kel-tec to work cause of the light weight, but I wouldn't bet my life on one. Beretta...never shot one (fancy that) but the US Armed Forces and a slew of law enforcement departments can't be wrong, right?

03-03-2009, 12:03 AM	#5
BobTheBiker too much time on my hands Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: the northern district of god damn Moto: 01 ZX6R, looking for more now. Posts: 1,802	and as I hear it, most GIs are trading in those beretta M9's for 1911's anywhere they can get hands on a 1911. why? ohhhh I dont know, maybe its because the 1911 has been the standard issue and damned reliable since ww2 perhaps? Given the choice, a 1911 variant would CERTAINLY be my choice, but thats well out of my budget. I'm wanting an entry level pistol to start off and later when I'm bringing in money I'll buy a fancier pistol to replace my hi point as the carry weapon, or alternate them.