Bullied kid w/ Muscular dystrophy commits suicide

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I always viewed TKD as more of a showmanship art.

If so, then so would all the varieties of kung fu and karate........They all came from the same origins.

Doing "forms" isn't really for show, it's for practicing strong blocks and strikes so that they become second-nature. As far as acquiring actual fighting "wits", that is what sparring sessions & tournaments are for. Someone who doesn't participate in those is obviously going to come up short.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

If so, then so would all the varieties of kung fu and karate........They all came from the same origins.

Doing "forms" isn't really for show, it's for practicing strong blocks and strikes so that they become second-nature. As far as acquiring actual fighting "wits", that is what sparring sessions & tournaments are for. Someone who doesn't participate in those is obviously going to come up short.

Showmanship is not exactly the word I would use, although you will see karate, kung-fu, or TKD demonstrations that have more to do with gymnastics than actual fighting.

I say this as a loyal shotokan karateka: all other things being equal, a ground-trained fighter will win. Karate, kung-fu, and TKD all have some devastating techniques, absolutely. But I think you really only have to watch some of the early UFC matches, back when they really did include all styles and disciplines. Everyone lost to ground fighters. And it makes sense; for instance, there are very few people in the world who can punch someone into unconsciousness more easily than they can choke someone into unconsciousness.

Now if you start pitting grand masters and 10th dans against only moderately trained grapplers, then yeah, you'll probably see an advantage for the stand-up fighters. But I've never seen jiu jutsu matches for points. They train full speed, full power because they can. Most competitions won't do that with the strike/kick style martial arts, because a full power kick to the head could cause real permanent damage. So, like Tmall pointed out, you have people practicing over and over to score points, and that becomes your muscle memory.

By no means do I think that makes stand-up martial arts worthless. And you're definitely better off on your feet if you're fighting more than one person, as is often the case in a schoolyard.

[Rider]

Sad story.

My son is 14 years old, 6' 2" 225lbs, knows tae kwon do (blue belt)and has wrestled for years. I'm not worried about anyone picking on him. He is pretty mild mannered now and I dont worry about him being a bully either though.

I do see bullies in his class however and it angers me that the parents of these kids turn a blind eye. Not so much physical bullies, but verbal abuse is very common. The schools in our area have a no bully pocilcy but it doesnt help at all. It has to be taught by the parents and they dont do that.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by Rider

I do see bullies in his class however and it angers me that the parents of these kids turn a blind eye. Not so much physical bullies, but verbal abuse is very common. The schools in our area have a no bully pocilcy but it doesnt help at all. It has to be taught by the parents and they dont do that.

Generally, if they're the kind of parent that produces a bully, they're not paying enough (or the right kind of) attention to the kid to begin with.

[jtemple]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Generally, if they're the kind of parent that produces a bully, they're not paying enough (or the right kind of) attention to the kid to begin with.

Yep. If I ever get wind of my son doing the bullying, he's going to get his ass handed to him quick-like. The thing is, he knows that, even at not-quite-five-years-old. So, it'll probably never be an issue.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Rider

Sad story.

My son is 14 years old, 6' 2" 225lbs, knows tae kwon do (blue belt)and has wrestled for years. I'm not worried about anyone picking on him. He is pretty mild mannered now and I dont worry about him being a bully either though.

I do see bullies in his class however and it angers me that the parents of these kids turn a blind eye. Not so much physical bullies, but verbal abuse is very common. The schools in our area have a no bully pocilcy but it doesnt help at all. It has to be taught by the parents and they dont do that.

I have seen more stories about this than anything. Verbal abuse can be 1000x worse than physical and if your kid throws the first punch, then they are the ones booted from school.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Trip

I have seen more stories about this than anything. Verbal abuse can be 1000x worse than physical and if your kid throws the first punch, then they are the ones booted from school.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/10/us/ac-...html?hpt=hp_c1

Special study.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Showmanship is not exactly the word I would use, although you will see karate, kung-fu, or TKD demonstrations that have more to do with gymnastics than actual fighting.

I say this as a loyal shotokan karateka: all other things being equal, a ground-trained fighter will win. Karate, kung-fu, and TKD all have some devastating techniques, absolutely. But I think you really only have to watch some of the early UFC matches, back when they really did include all styles and disciplines. Everyone lost to ground fighters. And it makes sense; for instance, there are very few people in the world who can punch someone into unconsciousness more easily than they can choke someone into unconsciousness.

Now if you start pitting grand masters and 10th dans against only moderately trained grapplers, then yeah, you'll probably see an advantage for the stand-up fighters. But I've never seen jiu jutsu matches for points. They train full speed, full power because they can. Most competitions won't do that with the strike/kick style martial arts, because a full power kick to the head could cause real permanent damage. So, like Tmall pointed out, you have people practicing over and over to score points, and that becomes your muscle memory.

By no means do I think that makes stand-up martial arts worthless. And you're definitely better off on your feet if you're fighting more than one person, as is often the case in a schoolyard.

I see your point about muscle memory. But as far as "who will win", I'm not talking about MMA or any type of competition..... I'm talking about street fights and self-defense situations, where the opponent is just some regular schmuck without much if any training. In those circumstances I don't think a decently-trained TKD person would end up on the ground unless they were taken by surprise or were in extremely close quarters. The average opponent is just some idiot who tries to swing a punch that was telegraphed from from a mile away.