Four Police Officers Dead - and Huckabee's career?

Papa_Complex · 11-30-2009, 06:43 AM

Haven't had my morning tea yetr, so please excuse the crappy typing in the title.

After 4 officers killed, police tell area residents to stay inside

Lakewood, Washington (CNN) -- Residents of an east Seattle neighborhood were asked to stay indoors late Sunday as police searched the area for a man wanted for questioning in the fatal shooting of four police officers.

Authorities have not identified Maurice Clemmons as a suspect, but said they are looking for him as part of their investigation into the "ambush" Sunday morning at a coffee shop near Tacoma in Pierce County.

Authorities had been in the Leschi neighborhood since 8:40 p.m., blocking off streets and asking residents to lock their doors, said Seattle police spokesman Jeff Keppel.

Earlier Sunday night, word emerged that Clemmons, a convicted criminal with a long rap sheet, had a 95-year prison sentence commuted by then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

Arkansas officials told the sheriff's office that Clemmons is the same person who received clemency from Huckabee in 2000, said sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer.

Huckabee, a Republican presidential candidate in 2008, is considering a run for president in 2012.

"Should he be found responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington state," Huckabee's office said in a statement Sunday night.

Clemmons, 37, of Pierce County has an "extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft," the sheriff's department said in a statement.

He also was recently charged in Pierce County in the assault of a police officer and rape of a child, according to the statement.

Troyer said Arkansas law enforcement officials had indicated that they were willing to forgo Clemmons' warrants in that state to avoid extraditing him if needed.

Clemmons was sentenced to 95 years in prison in 1989 for a host of charges, including robberies, burglaries, thefts and bringing a gun to school.

During a pretrial hearing, he hid a piece of metal in his sock, media reports at the time said. Before the start of another hearing, he grabbed a padlock off his holding cell and threw it at a court bailiff. He missed, and the lock hit his mother, who had come to bring him clothes.

Huckabee cited Clemmons' young age -- 17 at the time of his sentencing -- when he announced his decision to commute the sentence, according to newspaper articles.

Clemmons was paroled in August 2000, after serving 11 years of his sentence.

"It was not something I was pleased with at the time," said Larry Jegley, who prosecuted Clemmons for aggravated robbery and other charges in Pulaski County, Arkansas. "I would be most distressed if this is the same guy."

Huckabee's office said Clemmons' commutation was based on the recommendation of the parole board that determined that he met the conditions for early release.

"He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him," the statement said.

CNN could not immediately confirm the account. But the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper reported that a year after his release, Clemmons was arrested for aggravated robbery and theft.

He was taken back to prison for parole violation. But, said the paper, he was not served with the arrest warrants for the robbery and theft charges until he left prison three years later, in 2004.

His attorney argued the charges should be dismissed because too much time had passed by then. And prosecutors dropped the charges.

Clemmons is thought to have moved to Washington that year, and for a while ran a pressure-washing and landscaping business. The license for the business expired last month, according to the secretary of state, with which businesses have to register.

In recent months, Clemmons has displayed increasingly erratic behavior, the Seattle Times reported. In May, he punched a sheriff's deputy in the face, the paper said.

In another incident, he had relatives undress, telling them families need to be "naked for at least five minutes on Sunday," the newspaper said, citing a sheriff's department incident report.

Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members.

After serving several months in jail on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child, Clemmons was released on bond six days ago, according to the Seattle Times.

Sunday's shooting was the first for the Lakewood Police Department, which was created five years ago for the town of nearly 60,000. Until then, the Pierce County Sheriff's Office provided law-enforcement services there.

Authorities identified the victims as Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; Officer Ronald Owens, 37; Officer Tina Griswold, 40; and Officer Greg Richards, 42.

All four had been with the department since its inception. And all of them were parents.

The four officers were awaiting the start of their shift at a coffee shop in Parkland, a unincorporated community just south of Lakewood and about 10 miles from Tacoma.

The officers were in uniform and had marked patrol cars parked outside.

The shop on Steele Street is a popular hangout for law enforcement officers and is one of 22 Forza Coffee Co. locations in Washington.

"As a retired police officer, this senseless shooting hits extremely close to home to me," Brad Carpenter, chief executive officer of Forza, said in a statement on the company's Web site.

The attack occurred without warning, and investigators have not come up with possible motives.

The shooter walked past the officers to the counter as if to order coffee before he pulled the gun out of his coat and opened fire at 8:15 a.m., the sheriff's office said.

Two of the officers were "executed" as they sat at a table, said Troyer, the sheriff's spokesman.

Another was shot when he stood up and the fourth was shot after struggling with the gunman all the way out the door, Troyer said.

Two baristas and other customers inside the shop were unharmed. "Just the law enforcement officers were targeted," Troyer said, calling the shooting an ambush.

"What happened in there wasn't just a shooting," he told reporters. "After, we believe, some of the officers were shot, one of them managed to fight his way with the suspect -- fight his way, wrestle, fight all the way out the the doorway until he was shot and died of a gunshot wound.

"There's also evidence that a Lakewood officer fired some shots, and we hope he hit him," Troyer added.

Investigators were checking area hospitals to determine whether the gunman sought medical treatment. A $10,000 reward was offered for information leading to an arrest.

Some tips have come in, and investigators are following leads, one of which turned out to be "an unfortunate hoax," Troyer said.

A Tacoma man called "multiple people" claiming to be the gunman, though authorities determined the man was lying.

"We lost a lot of resources and man hours on that," said Troyer, adding the man was arrested and now faces obstruction charges.

BobTheBiker · 11-30-2009, 08:13 AM

I really hope they catch that guy, rip officers.

Papa_Complex · 11-30-2009, 08:14 AM

The last thing I heard wa sthat police were lobbing shots into the house he was supposed to be holed-up in.

Homeslice · 11-30-2009, 08:36 AM

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After serving several months in jail on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child, Clemmons was released on bond six days ago, according to the Seattle Times.

If he had not been sentenced yet, then he was not SERVING for a crime yet...... he was merely being held until he could post bail.

Poor writing.

RACER X · 11-30-2009, 08:39 AM

i hope he flies off a cliff.

lauralynne · 11-30-2009, 08:40 AM

Tragic. I partially blame the media for this one though - there was a police shooting here about 2 weeks ago or so. The media went beserk over it - ALL day coverage of the funeral, consant news coverage of the shooter, etc. It was over the top. And while I'm not saying that the slain officer deserved the respect, I am saying that the loonies out there saw it as a chance to make the news in a big way. RIP the officers, comfort for their family and friends. This is a horrible crime and I hope they catch and bring the justice the shooter.

z06boy · 11-30-2009, 09:17 AM

I sure don't see it helping Huckabee's career. Hurts it imho.

To the family and friends of these officers my thoughts are with you.

To the fvcktard that did this...

.

Kaneman · 11-30-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by z06boy

I sure don't see it helping Huckabee's career. Hurts it imho.

I just read where Huckabee came out Sunday and said he will most likely not run for President in three years. Strange timing.

z06boy · 11-30-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

I just read where Huckabee came out Sunday and said he will most likely not run for President in three years. Strange timing.

Really ? I didn't see that but this HAS to hurt his chances if it's all true. The guy had a 95 year sentence commuted ? Geez.

Yeah I know..."but he was only 17 when he did this...blah...blah...blah..."

Well how did that work out ?

askmrjesus · 11-30-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

"Should he be found responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington state," Huckabee's office said in a statement Sunday night.

Nice spin. The criminal justice system was working just fine until the Huckster decided 11 out of 95 sounded about right. Willie Horton anyone?

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members.

That right there is a good enough reason to keep him in jail.

JC

11-30-2009, 06:43 AM	#1
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	Four Police Officers Dead - and Huckabee's career? Haven't had my morning tea yetr, so please excuse the crappy typing in the title. After 4 officers killed, police tell area residents to stay inside Lakewood, Washington (CNN) -- Residents of an east Seattle neighborhood were asked to stay indoors late Sunday as police searched the area for a man wanted for questioning in the fatal shooting of four police officers. Authorities have not identified Maurice Clemmons as a suspect, but said they are looking for him as part of their investigation into the "ambush" Sunday morning at a coffee shop near Tacoma in Pierce County. Authorities had been in the Leschi neighborhood since 8:40 p.m., blocking off streets and asking residents to lock their doors, said Seattle police spokesman Jeff Keppel. Earlier Sunday night, word emerged that Clemmons, a convicted criminal with a long rap sheet, had a 95-year prison sentence commuted by then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. Arkansas officials told the sheriff's office that Clemmons is the same person who received clemency from Huckabee in 2000, said sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer. Huckabee, a Republican presidential candidate in 2008, is considering a run for president in 2012. "Should he be found responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington state," Huckabee's office said in a statement Sunday night. Clemmons, 37, of Pierce County has an "extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft," the sheriff's department said in a statement. He also was recently charged in Pierce County in the assault of a police officer and rape of a child, according to the statement. Troyer said Arkansas law enforcement officials had indicated that they were willing to forgo Clemmons' warrants in that state to avoid extraditing him if needed. Clemmons was sentenced to 95 years in prison in 1989 for a host of charges, including robberies, burglaries, thefts and bringing a gun to school. During a pretrial hearing, he hid a piece of metal in his sock, media reports at the time said. Before the start of another hearing, he grabbed a padlock off his holding cell and threw it at a court bailiff. He missed, and the lock hit his mother, who had come to bring him clothes. Huckabee cited Clemmons' young age -- 17 at the time of his sentencing -- when he announced his decision to commute the sentence, according to newspaper articles. Clemmons was paroled in August 2000, after serving 11 years of his sentence. "It was not something I was pleased with at the time," said Larry Jegley, who prosecuted Clemmons for aggravated robbery and other charges in Pulaski County, Arkansas. "I would be most distressed if this is the same guy." Huckabee's office said Clemmons' commutation was based on the recommendation of the parole board that determined that he met the conditions for early release. "He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him," the statement said. CNN could not immediately confirm the account. But the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper reported that a year after his release, Clemmons was arrested for aggravated robbery and theft. He was taken back to prison for parole violation. But, said the paper, he was not served with the arrest warrants for the robbery and theft charges until he left prison three years later, in 2004. His attorney argued the charges should be dismissed because too much time had passed by then. And prosecutors dropped the charges. Clemmons is thought to have moved to Washington that year, and for a while ran a pressure-washing and landscaping business. The license for the business expired last month, according to the secretary of state, with which businesses have to register. In recent months, Clemmons has displayed increasingly erratic behavior, the Seattle Times reported. In May, he punched a sheriff's deputy in the face, the paper said. In another incident, he had relatives undress, telling them families need to be "naked for at least five minutes on Sunday," the newspaper said, citing a sheriff's department incident report. Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members. After serving several months in jail on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child, Clemmons was released on bond six days ago, according to the Seattle Times. Sunday's shooting was the first for the Lakewood Police Department, which was created five years ago for the town of nearly 60,000. Until then, the Pierce County Sheriff's Office provided law-enforcement services there. Authorities identified the victims as Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; Officer Ronald Owens, 37; Officer Tina Griswold, 40; and Officer Greg Richards, 42. All four had been with the department since its inception. And all of them were parents. The four officers were awaiting the start of their shift at a coffee shop in Parkland, a unincorporated community just south of Lakewood and about 10 miles from Tacoma. The officers were in uniform and had marked patrol cars parked outside. The shop on Steele Street is a popular hangout for law enforcement officers and is one of 22 Forza Coffee Co. locations in Washington. "As a retired police officer, this senseless shooting hits extremely close to home to me," Brad Carpenter, chief executive officer of Forza, said in a statement on the company's Web site. The attack occurred without warning, and investigators have not come up with possible motives. The shooter walked past the officers to the counter as if to order coffee before he pulled the gun out of his coat and opened fire at 8:15 a.m., the sheriff's office said. Two of the officers were "executed" as they sat at a table, said Troyer, the sheriff's spokesman. Another was shot when he stood up and the fourth was shot after struggling with the gunman all the way out the door, Troyer said. Two baristas and other customers inside the shop were unharmed. "Just the law enforcement officers were targeted," Troyer said, calling the shooting an ambush. "What happened in there wasn't just a shooting," he told reporters. "After, we believe, some of the officers were shot, one of them managed to fight his way with the suspect -- fight his way, wrestle, fight all the way out the the doorway until he was shot and died of a gunshot wound. "There's also evidence that a Lakewood officer fired some shots, and we hope he hit him," Troyer added. Investigators were checking area hospitals to determine whether the gunman sought medical treatment. A $10,000 reward was offered for information leading to an arrest. Some tips have come in, and investigators are following leads, one of which turned out to be "an unfortunate hoax," Troyer said. A Tacoma man called "multiple people" claiming to be the gunman, though authorities determined the man was lying. "We lost a lot of resources and man hours on that," said Troyer, adding the man was arrested and now faces obstruction charges. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/ Last edited by Papa_Complex; 11-30-2009 at 06:47 AM..

11-30-2009, 08:14 AM	#3
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	The last thing I heard wa sthat police were lobbing shots into the house he was supposed to be holed-up in. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

11-30-2009, 08:39 AM	#5
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	i hope he flies off a cliff. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

11-30-2009, 08:40 AM	#6
lauralynne 667:Neighbor of the Beast Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Everett WA Moto: VTR1000, SV650, FZR400, CRF150 Posts: 1,403	Tragic. I partially blame the media for this one though - there was a police shooting here about 2 weeks ago or so. The media went beserk over it - ALL day coverage of the funeral, consant news coverage of the shooter, etc. It was over the top. And while I'm not saying that the slain officer deserved the respect, I am saying that the loonies out there saw it as a chance to make the news in a big way. RIP the officers, comfort for their family and friends. This is a horrible crime and I hope they catch and bring the justice the shooter. __________________ WMRRA's slowest Expert! triathalete, mom, racer, rider, friend, sister, wife - all in one tidy package! Married my best friend 8/30/09

11-30-2009, 09:17 AM	#7
z06boy Letzroll Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lake Norman area, NC Moto: 07 Red R1 & 07 Blue R6 Posts: 5,265	I sure don't see it helping Huckabee's career. Hurts it imho. To the family and friends of these officers my thoughts are with you. To the fvcktard that did this....

11-30-2009, 08:13 AM	#2
BobTheBiker too much time on my hands Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: the northern district of god damn Moto: 01 ZX6R, looking for more now. Posts: 1,802	I really hope they catch that guy, rip officers.