shits gonna hit the fan now - Page 2

Papa_Complex · 03-14-2011, 07:45 AM

I'm constantly amazed at people who seem to give proxy rights to someone else, to effectively raise their children, then get upset that the pittance these people get is somehow far too much. Many of these people get two degrees, in order to be able to secure such a job then make dirt compared to what they could, had they spent that time getting different degree(s).

And can the "they knew" talk. The rules of the game can change, after the fact, and wanting to do something meaningful with their lives, rather than just making money, shouldn't count against them.

People who are damaging property during their rallies, however, should be prosecuted for what they have done. It always chaps my ass that people who destroy property, during such incidents, frequently have it tossed as part of a final agreement.

Trip · 03-14-2011, 07:50 AM

There are always options, they can take a job in private schools that pay well, just like I have the option to remove any child I may have from going to those shit holes known as public school.

Papa_Complex · 03-14-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip

There are always options, they can take a job in private schools that pay well, just like I have the option to remove any child I may have from going to those shit holes known as public school.

Sure, they could, and then the 90% of the country, who can't afford private school, would be fucked. They serve a necessary purpose. They get paid shit. Grinding them down, even further than they already are, is a fucking stupid move when they frequently have more input into a child's life than his parents do.

Trip · 03-14-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Sure, they could, and then the 90% of the country, who can't afford private school, would be fucked. They serve a necessary purpose. They get paid shit. Grinding them down, even further than they already are, is a fucking stupid move when they frequently have more input into a child's life than his parents do.

That's why it's great to have freedom. If you hate the job or what it pays, move on. Why do you always care so much about what we do in our country? I don't give a fuck if ya'll decide to become nudist nazis in Canada, it's ya'll country.

Papa_Complex · 03-14-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip

That's why it's great to have freedom. If you hate the job or what it pays, move on. Why do you always care so much about what we do in our country? I don't give a fuck if ya'll decide to become nudist nazis in Canada, it's ya'll country.

Why do you bother to ask why someone cares about something, on the intarwebs?

wildchild · 03-14-2011, 08:32 AM

maybe Canadian teachers don't have it quite as well as American teachers. I work in the design field, I regularly take work home and have to work weekends, Tommy is in medical, he's always working, how many people here are in business or law? they work at night, at home and on weekends as well.
My girlfriend has a residential cleaning business and some of her best clients are teachers.
even if I sold all my toys I couldn't afford the houses these folks have. they do a very good job of going to school to teach in their compact sensible car and talk about how meager their wage is and how frugal they live their life.
go visit then some time. no joke at all, one of the teachers I know has a factory 5 cobra, a Harley, a beautiful house, and a toyota camry. guess what he drives to work?
Are they all filthy rich? of course not. are they dirt poor? absolutely not. they have state funded education, unbelieveable medical, dental and retirement benefits, a good salary and yes they get summers off during which they can travel, vacation or even work another job to make more bank. is that terrible that they work during the summer? no they do it by choice to make more money.
they do their job which they have chosen to do, they make a good salary. mostly what getting rid of thier union would do is make it possible to remove the teachers who have long ago lost their effectiveness.
we had one that finally after years of complaints was removed from the classroom and allowed to finish her tenure by monitoring the teacher's lounge. their union is very strong and there was no way to get rid of her entirely. is it right for tax payers to have to pay someone who is completely inept at their job simply because they have been there for years?

Papa_Complex · 03-14-2011, 08:35 AM

Actually Canadian teachers tend to have it quite a bit better than do American teachers.

tommymac · 03-14-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip

There are always options, they can take a job in private schools that pay well, just like I have the option to remove any child I may have from going to those shit holes known as public school.

Its not always that easy, sure most teachers would like a gig like that but they have to be able to get that job first.

On LI teachers have it prety good for the most part, they make tenure, they get paid rather well and most work in prety good school districts. On the flip side NYC teachers get paid a lot less, have to make duye with less and a lot work in prety crummy school districts. SO of course most of them want out and would kill for a gig out here in the burbs.

wildchild · 03-14-2011, 08:38 AM

i have a friend who quit here to go teach at the local tech school. life has never been better for him. he enjoys the job, the bennies, and the pay.

Trip · 03-14-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Why do you bother to ask why someone cares about something, on the intarwebs?

Just curious.

American teachers have lost any sympathy they had long ago. The public school system we have is just going in the shitter further an further and we can't really make changes thanks to their unions. Tenure is the biggest joke out there. Who else gets nice fat agreements to never get shitcanned when they are doing horrible jobs?

03-14-2011, 07:45 AM	#11
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	I'm constantly amazed at people who seem to give proxy rights to someone else, to effectively raise their children, then get upset that the pittance these people get is somehow far too much. Many of these people get two degrees, in order to be able to secure such a job then make dirt compared to what they could, had they spent that time getting different degree(s). And can the "they knew" talk. The rules of the game can change, after the fact, and wanting to do something meaningful with their lives, rather than just making money, shouldn't count against them. People who are damaging property during their rallies, however, should be prosecuted for what they have done. It always chaps my ass that people who destroy property, during such incidents, frequently have it tossed as part of a final agreement. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

03-14-2011, 08:35 AM	#17
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	Actually Canadian teachers tend to have it quite a bit better than do American teachers. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

03-14-2011, 07:50 AM	#12
Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	There are always options, they can take a job in private schools that pay well, just like I have the option to remove any child I may have from going to those shit holes known as public school.

03-14-2011, 08:32 AM	#16
wildchild cruiser Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: on the run Moto: '09 HD superglide, 16 Yamaha FZ 09 Posts: 2,749	maybe Canadian teachers don't have it quite as well as American teachers. I work in the design field, I regularly take work home and have to work weekends, Tommy is in medical, he's always working, how many people here are in business or law? they work at night, at home and on weekends as well. My girlfriend has a residential cleaning business and some of her best clients are teachers. even if I sold all my toys I couldn't afford the houses these folks have. they do a very good job of going to school to teach in their compact sensible car and talk about how meager their wage is and how frugal they live their life. go visit then some time. no joke at all, one of the teachers I know has a factory 5 cobra, a Harley, a beautiful house, and a toyota camry. guess what he drives to work? Are they all filthy rich? of course not. are they dirt poor? absolutely not. they have state funded education, unbelieveable medical, dental and retirement benefits, a good salary and yes they get summers off during which they can travel, vacation or even work another job to make more bank. is that terrible that they work during the summer? no they do it by choice to make more money. they do their job which they have chosen to do, they make a good salary. mostly what getting rid of thier union would do is make it possible to remove the teachers who have long ago lost their effectiveness. we had one that finally after years of complaints was removed from the classroom and allowed to finish her tenure by monitoring the teacher's lounge. their union is very strong and there was no way to get rid of her entirely. is it right for tax payers to have to pay someone who is completely inept at their job simply because they have been there for years?

03-14-2011, 08:38 AM	#19
wildchild cruiser Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: on the run Moto: '09 HD superglide, 16 Yamaha FZ 09 Posts: 2,749	i have a friend who quit here to go teach at the local tech school. life has never been better for him. he enjoys the job, the bennies, and the pay.