War on Drugs: Officially a Failure.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by dubbs

Not sure on the price being really high... The only reason it's very high right now is because of how risky it is to provide it to people.

The government will have a monopoly on the only legal distribution channel. They will also say that the tax/fee money will be required to pay for all the rehabilitation, medical expenses, and oversight of the product that will be required. The government won't actually spend that money on those things, but those things will be used for justification. You think drugs are expensive now? Wait until the government gets involved.

[the chi]

Originally Posted by goof2

The government will have a monopoly on the only legal distribution channel. They will also say that the tax/fee money will be required to pay for all the rehabilitation, medical expenses, and oversight of the product that will be required. The government won't actually spend that money on those things, but those things will be used for justification. You think drugs are expensive now? Wait until the government gets involved.

I agree 100%, but would that be a bad thing?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by The Chi

I agree 100%, but would that be a bad thing?

Personally I say yes for two reasons. First I don't like the government unnecessarily taxing the shit out of something for no other reason than they can. That concept just doesn't sit well with me. Secondly, if the government makes it too expensive the door remains open for the current black market to remain in place along with the problems it has created.

[dubbs]

Originally Posted by goof2

The government will have a monopoly on the only legal distribution channel. They will also say that the tax/fee money will be required to pay for all the rehabilitation, medical expenses, and oversight of the product that will be required. The government won't actually spend that money on those things, but those things will be used for justification. You think drugs are expensive now? Wait until the government gets involved.

Tobacco isn't that expensive (in most areas) and neither is alcohol.. Why would weed be so much different?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by dubbs

Tobacco isn't that expensive (in most areas) and neither is alcohol.. Why would weed be so much different?

I suppose expensive is a relative term and each person's definition will be different. Just don't be surprised when a dime bag costs $30 for no other reason than it has a tax stamp on it.

[dubbs]

Originally Posted by goof2

I suppose expensive is a relative term and each person's definition will be different. Just don't be surprised when a dime bag costs $30 for no other reason than it has a tax stamp on it.

The thing is these prices are a result of the DEA taking HUGE amounts of the supply and it being illegal. Once there are huge fields of this shit, it will probably cost 2.50 for a pack of 20 joints.. then like a 4-5$ tax. Seems reasonable to me..

[the chi]

Originally Posted by goof2

I suppose expensive is a relative term and each person's definition will be different. Just don't be surprised when a dime bag costs $30 for no other reason than it has a tax stamp on it.

Just out of curiousity, what does one cost now?

Originally Posted by Rider

No just legalize the natural occurring drugs, weed and shrooms...

The other chemically altered substances can stay illegal.

Thats not a bad way to look at it...if we look at history, are there any reports of Native Americans or settlers abusing Peyote or shrooms?

[dubbs]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Just out of curiousity, what does one cost now?

Depends on what you get.. just like Marlboros or Pall Malls.. Cheap shit.. 10$.. Mid grade - 15$.. Good Shit - 20$

To put it in perspective.. i think you may be able to squeeze 3 joints out of it.. depending on how you roll em..

[Kaneman]

It seems that Chi has completely bought into the D.A.R.E. mentality that is expected of this country's citizens. Illegal drugs are bad and dangerous and you'd have to be crazy to put them in your body. Never tried anything and only relying on outside information from a Government with a serious anti-drug/profit agenda who has been lying from the start.

Legally prescribed narcotics kill more people in America than Heroin, Methamphetamine, Cocaine, and Crack all combined. All narcotics can be lethal if used incorrectly, I personally have worked a Tylenol overdose death as a Vol. FF here in my home town. It was a very, very ugly and degrading death at that.

Aside from that, there has never been, in all of recorded history, a death solely attributed to Marijuana use. It is physically impossible to smoke, vaporize or eat enough Marijuana to cause death. That actually makes Cannabis the SAFEST therapeutically active substance known to man.

By contrast, millions of American parents put their kids on medication to control their behavior. Usually at a school's recommendation or legal insistance. One of those commonly prescribed medications, used for ADD/ADHD is Adderall, which is the same as methamphetamine, only cleaner since its made by Scientists and not white supremacists.

So we have this culture in which the vast majority of Americans use a chemical of some sort to improve their quality of life. You may take a Tylenol for a headache, whereas I might injest a good indica. Your drug of choice has adverse effects on the liver and has been attributed solely to thousands of death, mine doesn't...yet I wouldn't call you an idiot or look down on you for it.

Yet everyone wants to judge or look down on someone and pretend they are better or "up above it." And this attitude contributes the the hundreds of thousands of lives that are destroyed by the War on Drugs every year.

To Chi specifically, your history with people who abused substances does not mean everyone does. I know many people that use Cocaine, but only ONE out of the dozen or so I know ever became an addict. Most people do it just a handful of times a year. I personally have never tried it, but I'm not going to judge them for it.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by dubbs

The thing is these prices are a result of the DEA taking HUGE amounts of the supply and it being illegal. Once there are huge fields of this shit, it will probably cost 2.50 for a pack of 20 joints.. then like a 4-5$ tax. Seems reasonable to me..

I'm sure it does seem reasonable, but don't hold your breath waiting for it. For perspective the tax rate you propose is right about in line with cigarette taxes. I envision significantly higher taxes for "drugs" justified by having to pay for additional rehab facilities and higher healthcare costs (ultimately good things) that the government will then spend on other things (not so good).