GM Cancels 29mpg 4.5L Diesel Engine - Page 2

Phenix_Rider · 05-07-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

No, but I've seen sportbikes being towed by Minis, Integras, and even a Miata.

But you can't tow a trailer with four bikes in it behind any of them and have room for 4-5 full size people inside.

Quick281 · 05-07-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

No, but I've seen sportbikes being towed by Minis, Integras, and even a Miata.

And the point is?

I have seen a 67 Mustang on a 4x4 chassis and used for rock crawling....

You can take anything and use it beyond it's purposes. Are minis, integras and miatas going to replace the truck industry?

goof2 · 05-07-2009, 08:41 PM

I doubt this engine was killed due to government pressure specifically against it, but I do think the government is doing everything it can to get people out of trucks and SUVs. It is just a continuation of the trend that has been going for decades. It used to be the only justifications you needed to get something was wanting it and affording it. Now for more and more things you must show you need it, if not legally then morally, while the affording it part has been thrown out the window.

Homeslice · 05-07-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Phenix_Rider

But you can't tow a trailer with four bikes in it behind any of them and have room for 4-5 full size people inside.

Of course not..........But how often does that happen?

Around here, the average sportbike owner just hauls his own bike, and nothing more. Maybe 2 if he's carpooling w/someone. I'm just saying a lot of guys seem to exaggerate their need for a truck. You see them driving Tundras when a Tacoma would have sufficed

goof2 · 05-07-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

Of course not..........But how often does that happen?

Around here, the average sportbike owner just hauls his own bike, and nothing more. Maybe 2 if he's carpooling w/someone. I'm just saying a lot of guys seem to exaggerate their need for a truck. You see them driving Tundras when a Tacoma would have sufficed.

Fortunately people don't need to justify their vehicle purchases to anyone but themselves. The only thing that bothers me is when someone who bought a full size bitches about gas prices.

101lifts2 · 05-07-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2

That would be suspicion #1 for me.

#2 would be that it can't meet emissions standards as is.

#3, it can meet current emissions standards but it is close to the limit, and with states now reassured in their ability to set their own standards, tougher than the Fed's, GM doesn't think they will be able to sell it in enough states.

#4, it meets or exceeds all performance goals and runs clean as hell, but will be so damn expensive GM doesn't think they can sell it.

#5, it is a super-engine that can do everything, but GM is planning to close the factories capable of producing the engine and projected volume of this motor alone isn't enough to justify keeping any of the factories open.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong Wrong and Wrong. The engine was dropped because they were told to do so or moreso that the truck/SUV plants were the ones that should close. It was a trick engine...no exhaust manifolds and the turbo was in the center between the intake manifolds.

It was a 2010 calendar year complaint engine.

Its a damn shame.

101lifts2 · 05-07-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

No, but I've seen sportbikes being towed by Minis, Integras, and even a Miata.

Those cars are not designed to tow anything...and if you're specifically using the truck to go to the track, why would you use one of those?

goof2 · 05-07-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong Wrong and Wrong. The engine was dropped because they were told to do so or moreso that the truck/SUV plants were the ones that should close. It was a trick engine...no exhaust manifolds and the turbo was in the center between the intake manifolds.

It was a 2010 calendar year complaint engine.

Its a damn shame.

Isn't that kind of what I said for #5?

Even though I listed it I still view it as a remote possibility. GM is not closing every truck plant. Even if trucks and SUVs die as passenger vehicles there will still be a demand for trucks, and consequently a need to build trucks for the commercial market. I think the commercial market buys a hell of a lot more diesel trucks than the passenger market, meaning the engine would still be viable. That is unless it isn't too expensive or can't meet emissions.

Homeslice · 05-07-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Those cars are not designed to tow anything...and if you're specifically using the truck to go to the track, why would you use one of those?

So that you don't have to own a truck in the first place?

101lifts2 · 05-08-2009, 02:06 AM

You own a truck and a bike. Use the bike everywhere except when you need a cage.

Problem solved.

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goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	I doubt this engine was killed due to government pressure specifically against it, but I do think the government is doing everything it can to get people out of trucks and SUVs. It is just a continuation of the trend that has been going for decades. It used to be the only justifications you needed to get something was wanting it and affording it. Now for more and more things you must show you need it, if not legally then morally, while the affording it part has been thrown out the window.