CA Declares State of Fiscal Emergency... - Page 4

Avatard · 12-10-2010, 02:13 PM

They just may be to blame, I can't really say. I don't know that much.

But, I'd just hazard to guess that a multi-cultural, major sea-port hub state, staffed in large part by migrant workers, and the center on much of the entire left coast's economic activity (and the center of the computer, music, and movie universes) might have unique economic needs and issues.

No?

Just sayin'

I don't think it's as simple as "blame the liberals" [101's knee-jerk catch-all]. That's absurd.

L8 Braker · 12-10-2010, 02:17 PM

Calii has been sinking for years under Democratic leadership...They're so dumb, they let Enron shut off their power for f sake...They have local leader so corrupt, they didn't e even notice their paychecks were in the hundreds of thousands of dollars...

They have an action star for a Gov, and just re-elected the abysmal Barbara Boxer...You think Florida is dumb?...Cali holds the patent on stupidity...They get what they deserve...

OneSickPsycho · 12-10-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

They just may be to blame, I can't really say. I don't know that much.

But, I'd just hazard to guess that a multi-cultural, major sea-port hub state, staffed in large part by migrant workers, and the center on much of the entire left coast's economic activity (and the center of the computer, music, and movie universe) might have unique economic needs and issues.

Let's be real... if CA was run by the Reps for the past 40 years you'd hammer them regardless of your level of understanding of their economics.

It's funny, in a lot of ways we think the same about some of this shit... the libertarian mindset... But for some reason you take every opportunity to bash the Reps, but largely give the Dems a pass. Here we are in a thread about a state who's leadership has been failing them for decades and regardless of the fact that it has been run by Dem's since 1970, you make excuses to give them some sort of pass (or at least are avoiding condeming them).

Seriously, I don't pretend to know a lot, or really much of anything about California politics, but this shit didn't happen over night and the people in charge have failed every step along the way... Regardless of what political system you subscribe to, you gotta be able to put the blame where it belongs.

Avatard · 12-10-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Let's be real... if CA was run by the Reps for the past 40 years you'd hammer them regardless of your level of understanding of their economics.

It's funny, in a lot of ways we think the same about some of this shit... the libertarian mindset... But for some reason you take every opportunity to bash the Reps, but largely give the Dems a pass. Here we are in a thread about a state who's leadership has been failing them for decades and regardless of the fact that it has been run by Dem's since 1970, you make excuses to give them some sort of pass (or at least are avoiding condeming them).

Because at least they say what they're trying to do...they're not nearly the fucking hypocrites that the Republicans are. The fucking Republicans come on like they care about Jeebus, abortion, and gays, but that's just to get the poor stupid god-fearing folk on board.

The truth is, they're a bunch of rich fucking bankers (as proven by the current "hostage" situation). They say they're fiscally conservative, but then they spend like drunken sailors (spending the country's money, BTW, not theirs).

I wouldn't say I give Dems a pass. They don't exactly flip my fucking skirt up either, because, as you said yourself, I am more Libertarian leaning than anything.

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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Seriously, I don't pretend to know a lot, or really much of anything about California politics, but this shit didn't happen over night and the people in charge have failed every step along the way... Regardless of what political system you subscribe to, you gotta be able to put the blame where it belongs.

Like I said, California is more than an island state...it is the hub and center of so much in this country, and to treat it like that doesn't factor into it (and the state's current situation, as perhaps is this country, in microcosm) is rather disingenuous.

Perhaps the Federal government needs to send more money their way, because the state is just so pivotal to this country's survival and operation...much like NYC, and the surrounding areas in the East.

Dave · 12-10-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

Because at least they say what they're trying to do...they're not nearly the fucking hypocrites that the Republicans are. The fucking Republicans come on like they care about Jeebus, abortion, and gays, but that's just to get the poor stupid god-fearing folk on board.

The truth is, they're a bunch of rich fucking bankers (as proven by the current "hostage" situation). They say they're fiscally conservative, but then they spend like drunken sailors (spending the country's money, BTW, not theirs).

I wouldn't say I give Dems a pass. They don't exactly flip my fucking skirt up either, because, as you said yourself, I am more Libertarian leaning than anything.

Like I said, California is more than an island state...it is the hub and center of so much in this country, and to treat it like that doesn't factor into it (and the state's current situation, as perhaps is this country, in microcosm) is rather disingenuous.

Perhaps the Federal government needs to send more money their way, because the state is just so pivotal to this country's survival and operation...much like NYC, and the surrounding areas in the East.

If any more of our money goes to that cesspit their votes and seats need to be stripped from Them and equally distributed among the more responsible 49

goof2 · 12-10-2010, 04:56 PM

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If any more of our money goes to that cesspit their votes and seats need to be stripped from Them and equally distributed among the more responsible 49

A lot of other states are in the midst of budget crises as well so I wouldn't label all the other 49 more responsible. California just gets the most hype because their deficit is, I believe, the largest.

Either way I think it is a bit funny Avatard is complaining on one hand about how Republicans spend money we don't have like drunken sailors, but on the other hand is advocating spending money we don't have on California because that state can't be responsible.

Avatard · 12-10-2010, 05:02 PM

I'm just saying that perhaps because of the scope of what California provides this country is so large, that perhaps its burdens have been greater, and the country may need to share in the effort. Think about all that California is the center of; computers, the movie AND music industries. A major west coast port and distribution center, as well as a huge agricultural industry. It also has a HUGE coastline, and a very high population density.

It is unique among states, and I would say that its problems in this downturn are probably understandably just as unique,

Can't blame one group, or one thing.

Dave · 12-10-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2

A lot of other states are in the midst of budget crises as well so I wouldn't label all the other 49 more responsible. California just gets the most hype because their deficit is, I believe, the largest.

Either way I think it is a bit funny Avatard is complaininnog on one hand about how Republicans spend money we don't have like drunken sailors, but on the other hand is advocating spending money we don't have on California because that state can't be responsible.

True enough. Examples are rarely fair when made though.

And yep

Homeslice · 12-10-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L8 Braker

Calii has been sinking for years under Democratic leadership...They're so dumb, they let Enron shut off their power for f sake...They have local leader so corrupt, they didn't e even notice their paychecks were in the hundreds of thousands of dollars...

They have an action star for a Gov, and just re-elected the abysmal Barbara Boxer...You think Florida is dumb?...Cali holds the patent on stupidity...They get what they deserve...

Cali leaders might be questionable, but in terms of the citizenry, you might want to compare educational stats between Cali and Floriduh....

L8 Braker · 12-10-2010, 05:33 PM

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Cali leaders might be questionable

Might be?...Whose fault is it that they're in that hole?...THE LEADERS!

And who put those same people in time and time again?...The dumb people/voters of Cal-ee-forn-ee-ah...

Obviously, that great edumuhcation system isn't helping them make better decisions...

12-10-2010, 02:13 PM	#31
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	They just may be to blame, I can't really say. I don't know that much. But, I'd just hazard to guess that a multi-cultural, major sea-port hub state, staffed in large part by migrant workers, and the center on much of the entire left coast's economic activity (and the center of the computer, music, and movie universes) might have unique economic needs and issues. No? Just sayin' I don't think it's as simple as "blame the liberals" [101's knee-jerk catch-all]. That's absurd. __________________ Insert free thought here. Last edited by Avatard; 12-10-2010 at 02:23 PM..

12-10-2010, 05:02 PM	#37
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	I'm just saying that perhaps because of the scope of what California provides this country is so large, that perhaps its burdens have been greater, and the country may need to share in the effort. Think about all that California is the center of; computers, the movie AND music industries. A major west coast port and distribution center, as well as a huge agricultural industry. It also has a HUGE coastline, and a very high population density. It is unique among states, and I would say that its problems in this downturn are probably understandably just as unique, Can't blame one group, or one thing. __________________ Insert free thought here. Last edited by Avatard; 12-10-2010 at 05:05 PM..

12-10-2010, 02:17 PM	#32
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	Calii has been sinking for years under Democratic leadership...They're so dumb, they let Enron shut off their power for f sake...They have local leader so corrupt, they didn't e even notice their paychecks were in the hundreds of thousands of dollars... They have an action star for a Gov, and just re-elected the abysmal Barbara Boxer...You think Florida is dumb?...Cali holds the patent on stupidity...They get what they deserve...