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[Kaneman]

You guys understand that unemployment runs out right? Its not a lifetime of riches and fortunes....

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

You guys understand that unemployment runs out right? Its not a lifetime of riches and fortunes....

how long should somebody be unemployed from their "career" 1-2-3yrs?

when should they change careers or "go get a job any job" ?

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by RACER X

how long should somebody be unemployed from their "career" 1-2-3yrs?

when should they change careers or "go get a job any job" ?

There's no such thing as "go get any job." It is very easy to be overqualified for menial jobs if you've had a decent career leading up to the layoffs.

The U.S. can easily afford to take care of citizens who've fallen on hard times and don't necessarily want to end up homeless. Yes, there are those who will take advantage of the system, but it does not negate the need to take care of our own.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

There's no such thing as "go get any job." It is very easy to be overqualified for menial jobs if you've had a decent career leading up to the layoffs.

The U.S. can easily afford to take care of citizens who've fallen on hard times and don't necessarily want to end up homeless. Yes, there are those who will take advantage of the system, but it does not negate the need to take care of our own.

That's horseshit. The problem is people made a decision about what job is "beneath" them and don't apply for it. Does it suck to go from a career to a shit job? Fuck yes it does, but we can't just let people collect unemployment checks because they don't want to be a ditch digger.

Unemployment is fucking a ridiculous waste of money. It assists some people, but far too many people know how to abuse the fuck out of the system and use it to avoid working for as long as possible because it makes it way too easy for people to be sedentary. The money would be better off going to job stimulus programs and getting people who are unemployed trained into skill sets that would broaden their appeal to employers. Instead, we coddle these fucking idiots and promote laziness and poor work ethic.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Corey

That's horseshit. The problem is people made a decision about what job is "beneath" them and don't apply for it.

So if you have a family with 3 kids, grocery bills and a mortgage you're supposed to take an $8.00 an hour job at McDonalds and some how be able to pay those bills. Yes, that sounds like an awesome plan. A "job" is not a magic cure all that ensures all the family's or individual's needs are met.

Originally Posted by RACER X

so what time frame should we give somebody?

1-2-3-4-5-6 ? yrs?

The current time frames they use are excellent.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

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The current time frames they use are excellent.

i've pointed out 2 people in the last yr to learn comp. drafting, both took about 4 mos of classes, got jobs in 1 mos. lowest was $15/hr quickly to $18 other was $20/hr........3 yrs...........pfft!

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by RACER X

i've pointed out 2 people in the last yr to learn comp. drafting, both took about 4 mos of classes, got jobs in 1 mos. lowest was $15/hr quickly to $18 other was $20/hr........3 yrs...........pfft!

That's awesome. You're a good friend to have around! Not sure where you're getting the 3 years estimate.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

A "job" is not a magic cure all that ensures all the family's or individual's needs are met.

A "government" is not a magic cure all that ensures all the family's or individual's needs are met.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

So if you have a family with 3 kids, grocery bills and a mortgage you're supposed to take an $8.00 an hour job at McDonalds and some how be able to pay those bills. Yes, that sounds like an awesome plan. A "job" is not a magic cure all that ensures all the family's or individual's needs are met.

Yes, you do it because you have to. You make sacrifices until you are able to secure a better paying job. You bite the bullet and do what's necessary. Unemployment is a wicked double edged sword. The longer you're on it, the longer you're out of the workforce, and the harder it is to find a job. Your ability to pull in a previous salary declines the longer your away from your position. Let's say someone spends the full two years on unemployment. That's two years that a person has not been working. If they're on unemployment, chances are they're not able to do a damn thing to improve their situation, making that gap in employment a greater liability. They lose the ability to obtain a position that pays anywhere near what they were making prior to unemployment and become practically irrelevant in the job market. That does not help people, that severely hinders them. There is no fucking glamour in a shitty McDonalds job, but that looks far better on a resume to potential employers than "sat on ass waiting for something to be handed to them.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Corey

Yes, you do it because you have to. You make sacrifices until you are able to secure a better paying job. You bite the bullet and do what's necessary. Unemployment is a wicked double edged sword. The longer you're on it, the longer you're out of the workforce, and the harder it is to find a job. Your ability to pull in a previous salary declines the longer your away from your position. Let's say someone spends the full two years on unemployment. That's two years that a person has not been working. If they're on unemployment, chances are they're not able to do a damn thing to improve their situation, making that gap in employment a greater liability. They lose the ability to obtain a position that pays anywhere near what they were making prior to unemployment and become practically irrelevant in the job market. That does not help people, that severely hinders them. There is no fucking glamour in a shitty McDonalds job, but that looks far better on a resume to potential employers than "sat on ass waiting for something to be handed to them.

I agree and disagree.........I think an employer would prefer a candidate who spent time volunteering, or writing a blog about their industry, or attending trade shows, something like that. Something that is actually relevant to their career. Oh but wait, that would require having some savings bulit up, so that they don't have to take a shitty non-relevant job like McDonalds. Can't have that.