Let me be the first to say.....

Papa_Complex · 09-17-2010, 10:45 AM

"Shut up, fat boy."

People who VOLUNTEERED for the military are not the same as those who are DRAFTED.

Michael Moore slams Canada on war dodgers

Thu Sep 16, 7:55 PM

By Colin Perkel, The Canadian Press
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TORONTO - Renowned left-wing American documentary maker Michael Moore on Thursday blasted Canada's position on U.S. war dodgers as shameful.

Speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival, Moore said Ottawa's refusal to allow U.S. soldiers opposed to the war in Iraq to find safe haven in this country betrays what the country once stood for.

"It is absolutely shameful how Canada has behaved toward those who have resisted this war," Moore said.

"It's not the Canada that we used to know."

Moore, who has produced several acclaimed documentaries, noted Canada was sympathetic to American soldiers who refused to fight in Vietnam in the 1970s.

Draft dodgers who fled the U.S. for Canada were allowed to stay here and many became productive citizens, even after they were allowed to return home.

"This country was so generous to those of my generation who did not want to kill Vietnamese and opened the doors," Moore said.

"They stayed here, most of them, after clemency was granted, raised families here, became Canadians and contributed."

Scores of American soldiers have deserted in opposition to the war on Iraq — some after deployment, others pre-deployment — and fled to Canada beginning more than six years ago.

None has been successful in seeking asylum in Canada, with bids for refugee status denied on the grounds that they would be prosecuted, not persecuted, if they returned to the U.S.

Their cases remain caught up in labyrinthine refugee hearings and various appeals.

Some who have gone back either voluntarily or after deportation have been jailed for desertion, but those who stay maintain they should not have to face punishment for opposing a war they call illegal.

The federal government has maintained the U.S. military is a volunteer defence force, in contrast to the forced draft that many young Americans faced in the Vietnam War era.

Still, the House of Commons, in a non-binding motion, called on the government in 2008 to allow those who refused to serve in Iraq on conscientious grounds to remain in Canada.

Bill C-440, currently before the Commons, would force the government to allow the deserting soldiers to apply for permanent residence in Canada.

Canada refused to join the U.S.-led war on Iraq, arguing it had no United Nations sanction.

Moore said Canadians are sympathetic to the war-dodger cause.

"Canadian people have a good heart and are a peaceful people," he said.

"They've always seen themselves as people that want to try to negotiate peace but they've gotten caught up in participating in war."

Moore's latest film, "Capitalism: A Love Story," released a year ago, looked at the financial crisis.

Other works include "Bowling for Columbine" and "Sicko."

goof2 · 09-17-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

"Shut up, fat boy."

People who VOLUNTEERED for the military are not the same as those who are DRAFTED.

Why are you surprised? Moore has never much cared for the facts that don't fit the narrative he is trying to sell.

Papa_Complex · 09-17-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2

Why are you surprised? Moore has never much cared for the facts that don't fit the narrative he is trying to sell.

I'm not surprised. I just wanted to tell him to shut up

Smittie61984 · 09-17-2010, 11:26 AM

Why doesn't that fucking tool just move there? Is the food structure not good enough to support him?

z06boy · 09-17-2010, 11:43 AM

That's one fvck that I wish would just go away.

Papa_Complex · 09-17-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittie61984

Why doesn't that fucking tool just move there? Is the food structure not good enough to support him?

We don't want him. You fuckers birthed him; you can keep him.

Rider · 09-17-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

We don't want him. You fuckers birthed him; you can keep him.

You Canadians seem to be more accepting of asshats. You can have him.

Trip · 09-17-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

We don't want him. You fuckers birthed him; you can keep him.

well fucking take back celine dion for the love of god, you fuckers seem disinterested in getting her back.

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

derf · 09-17-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

well fucking take back celine dion for the love of god, you fuckers seem disinterested in getting her back.

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

Yeh thats the real problem nobody wants her

Papa_Complex · 09-17-2010, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

You Canadians seem to be more accepting of asshats. You can have him.

No, we're just more polite about it. We say, "Will you PLEASE get the fuck out of our country?"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip

well fucking take back celine dion for the love of god, you fuckers seem disinterested in getting her back.

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

We've already been through that. You made out pretty well on that trade. Besides, she's already got her anchor baby.

09-17-2010, 10:45 AM	#1
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	Let me be the first to say..... "Shut up, fat boy." People who VOLUNTEERED for the military are not the same as those who are DRAFTED. Michael Moore slams Canada on war dodgers Thu Sep 16, 7:55 PM By Colin Perkel, The Canadian Press ADVERTISEMENT TORONTO - Renowned left-wing American documentary maker Michael Moore on Thursday blasted Canada's position on U.S. war dodgers as shameful. Speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival, Moore said Ottawa's refusal to allow U.S. soldiers opposed to the war in Iraq to find safe haven in this country betrays what the country once stood for. "It is absolutely shameful how Canada has behaved toward those who have resisted this war," Moore said. "It's not the Canada that we used to know." Moore, who has produced several acclaimed documentaries, noted Canada was sympathetic to American soldiers who refused to fight in Vietnam in the 1970s. Draft dodgers who fled the U.S. for Canada were allowed to stay here and many became productive citizens, even after they were allowed to return home. "This country was so generous to those of my generation who did not want to kill Vietnamese and opened the doors," Moore said. "They stayed here, most of them, after clemency was granted, raised families here, became Canadians and contributed." Scores of American soldiers have deserted in opposition to the war on Iraq — some after deployment, others pre-deployment — and fled to Canada beginning more than six years ago. None has been successful in seeking asylum in Canada, with bids for refugee status denied on the grounds that they would be prosecuted, not persecuted, if they returned to the U.S. Their cases remain caught up in labyrinthine refugee hearings and various appeals. Some who have gone back either voluntarily or after deportation have been jailed for desertion, but those who stay maintain they should not have to face punishment for opposing a war they call illegal. The federal government has maintained the U.S. military is a volunteer defence force, in contrast to the forced draft that many young Americans faced in the Vietnam War era. Still, the House of Commons, in a non-binding motion, called on the government in 2008 to allow those who refused to serve in Iraq on conscientious grounds to remain in Canada. Bill C-440, currently before the Commons, would force the government to allow the deserting soldiers to apply for permanent residence in Canada. Canada refused to join the U.S.-led war on Iraq, arguing it had no United Nations sanction. Moore said Canadians are sympathetic to the war-dodger cause. "Canadian people have a good heart and are a peaceful people," he said. "They've always seen themselves as people that want to try to negotiate peace but they've gotten caught up in participating in war." Moore's latest film, "Capitalism: A Love Story," released a year ago, looked at the financial crisis. Other works include "Bowling for Columbine" and "Sicko." __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

09-17-2010, 11:26 AM	#4
Smittie61984 I give Squids a bad name Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fly Over State Moto: 1996 CBR600 F3 (AKA the Flying Turd) Posts: 4,742	Why doesn't that fucking tool just move there? Is the food structure not good enough to support him? __________________ lifts - R.I.P.

09-17-2010, 11:43 AM	#5
z06boy Letzroll Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lake Norman area, NC Moto: 07 Red R1 & 07 Blue R6 Posts: 5,265	That's one fvck that I wish would just go away.