This sor tof shit worries me - Page 2

Papa_Complex · 11-10-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052

This is the part that bothers me. Don't they have to have some form of evidence before a warrant can be obtained?
I am with the one dude, if it can help, I would answer questions, but there ain't no way they are getting in. If they do come back with a warrant, it better be justified, or I am calling a lawyer, and will be sunning in Cuba in the spring.

They could turn my house upside-down and find nothing that they could even write me a ticket for, but I would still not let them in the door. I don't believe in the, "If you've got nothing to hide..." mentality. Ultimately they would be able to get into my home without warrant, anyway, on the premise of checking that my firearms are properly stored.

The problem, as I see it, is that they're implying guilt based on a desire to maintain personal privacy. You have a right to say, "No." when police ask to search your home. The threat of getting a warrant is a hollow one. Saying that you won't LET them search isn't a valid reason for a warrant.

karl_1052 · 11-10-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

They could turn my house upside-down and find nothing that they could even write me a ticket for, but I would still not let them in the door.

I am the same way. You won't find anything, but you are not even getting a chance to look. I will, however answer any questions, to help find a missing person.

CrazyKell · 11-10-2009, 08:52 AM

Personable does not mean "nice". Was that out loud?

That's crazy!

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Originally Posted by karl_1052

I am the same way. You won't find anything, but you are not even getting a chance to look. I will, however answer any questions, to help find a missing person.

Plus one.

Papa_Complex · 11-10-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyKell

Personable does not mean "nice". Was that out loud?

That's crazy!

Plus one.

Same thing was done here, in Brampton, a couple of years back when a kid went missing.

Homeslice · 11-10-2009, 09:35 AM

Had it been a boy missing, I bet they wouldn't have devoted half as much effort.

Avatard · 11-10-2009, 02:19 PM

However, the best answer is probably this:

Officer, please back down, and go secure your warrant. I will secure my dogs, and we will be safely out of your way when you return.

Don't know if I could keep it cool enough to say that, and not react badly instead.

Papa_Complex · 11-10-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

However, the best answer is probably this:

Officer, please back down, and go secure your warrant. I will secure my dogs, and we will be safely out of your way when you return.

Don't know if I could keep it cool enough to say that, and not react badly instead.

We have the right to say no. Intimidation and lack of explanation is used in order to wheedle compliance. It isn't a fait accomplis.

Avatard · 11-10-2009, 02:27 PM

PC,

As for the blanket searches of homes...I'm without words.

I'd probably move to where that doesn't happen.

Immediately.

shmike · 11-10-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

PC,

As for the blanket searches of homes...I'm without words.

I'd probably move to where that doesn't happen.

Immediately.

Where?

Seriously, I can't think of a place where this couldn't / wouldn't happen.

Avatard · 11-10-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shmike

Where?

Seriously, I can't think of a place where this couldn't / wouldn't happen.

Then I'd aim for "least likely".

Sovereignty is the most primary right.

See: Man; Castle.

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Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	However, the best answer is probably this: Officer, please back down, and go secure your warrant. I will secure my dogs, and we will be safely out of your way when you return. Don't know if I could keep it cool enough to say that, and not react badly instead. __________________ Insert free thought here. Last edited by Avatard; 11-10-2009 at 02:22 PM..

11-10-2009, 02:27 PM	#8
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	PC, As for the blanket searches of homes...I'm without words. I'd probably move to where that doesn't happen. Immediately. __________________ Insert free thought here.

11-10-2009, 09:35 AM	#5
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Had it been a boy missing, I bet they wouldn't have devoted half as much effort.