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askmrjesus · 05-20-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

It's just an excuse to use words like "Bolshevik", wear black berets, and play the bongos.

JC

KSGregman · 05-20-2010, 09:39 AM

We murdered their ancestors and stole their land and property fair and square!!! How DARE they be angry at us about it...how DARE they have the audacity to ask to be compensated for what was stolen from them...or to have their stolen land returned. It's sooooo inconvenient when they get angry about how badly they are treated....why can't they just go back to their nice little reservations and leave us innocent white folks alone?

Papa_Complex · 05-20-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

We murdered their ancestors and stole their land and property fair and square!!! How DARE they be angry at us about it...how DARE they have the audacity to ask to be compensated for what was stolen from them...or to have their stolen land returned. It's sooooo inconvenient when they get angry about how badly they are treated....why can't they just go back to their nice little reservations and leave us innocent white folks alone?

Actually in most cases, in Canada, the word "stolen" can be swapped out for either "leased", or "purchased." Just because you think you got a raw deal, 200 years ago, doesn't give you the right to bust shit up now.

Hmmmmm...... Where have I heard that before?

KSGregman · 05-20-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Just because you think you got a raw deal, 200 years ago, doesn't give you the right to bust shit up now.

Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

Papa_Complex · 05-20-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

... given money for simply being alive, tonnes of opportunities for full-pop paid higher education, exemption from sales taxes.....

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Originally Posted by goof2

You all should let them build casinos. It has really worked wonders here.

They've got casinos and BINGO halls. The casinos tend to be run by sketchy people from Vegas.

karl_1052 · 05-20-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

Congrats! you just won the award for the most ignorant statement of the day!

This is the same arguement regarding the black slaves in American culture.
What side of the arguement are you on in that one?

They are not forced to live anywhere, they are given free education, free housing, free vehicles, free everything, but they piss it all into the wind.

Yeah, they are soooo ignored.

Tmall · 05-20-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

Native Americans KNOW they got a raw deal 200 years ago...they KNOW they've got a raw deal every day since then....shipped off to rot on reservations on the shittiest land that white people didn't want...marginalized...ignored.

I don't support their violent attempts to gain attention and recompense for their injuries...but I certainly understand why they would feel compelled to take that step when all other avenues are ignored or blocked.

I don't know any natives who have to live on a reserve. I know plenty who do it for the tax breaks and freebies. Good for them for using the system to it's fullest. For as many "raw deals" as they've been handed, they've made out like bandits on many others.

Homeslice · 05-20-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Actually in most cases, in Canada, the word "stolen" can be swapped out for either "leased", or "purchased."

Under threat of force?

Papa_Complex · 05-20-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

Under threat of force?

Nope, as I said not in most cases. There's a reason why Sitting Bull came to Canada, when he was bing chased in the US.

sherri_chickie · 05-20-2010, 10:46 AM

The reserves here in Alberta tend to be RICH, but there is huge poverty none-the-less. The Hobbema reserve is in the middle of some of the most oil rich land in the province, and they, unlike the average land owner, own the oil rights. At the age of 18 each band member gets a HUGE payout ( over 100K). Despite all this oil money the reserve looks like a 3rd world city. burned out houses, graffiti everywhere, and huge problems with alcohol, drugs and gangs. I worked at a school there ( making much less than a regular provincial teacher) for one year and that was all I could take. If someone makes something of themselves, they are ostracized by their community as a sell out. Education is not valued. I don't have a clue why either. When someone goes out, gets an education, and then comes back to teach their own people, they are treated like dirt!

But that is just my experience in one place. In no way do I mean all First Nations people are like that. My cousins are Meti and they are great people with a work ethic and intelligence anyone could envy.

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05-20-2010, 09:39 AM	#2
KSGregman Get Fit...or Get OUT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KS Moto: 07 M109-R Posts: 1,993	We murdered their ancestors and stole their land and property fair and square!!! How DARE they be angry at us about it...how DARE they have the audacity to ask to be compensated for what was stolen from them...or to have their stolen land returned. It's sooooo inconvenient when they get angry about how badly they are treated....why can't they just go back to their nice little reservations and leave us innocent white folks alone?

05-20-2010, 10:46 AM	#10
sherri_chickie WERA Yellow Plate Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Calgary Moto: Gs500F Posts: 683	The reserves here in Alberta tend to be RICH, but there is huge poverty none-the-less. The Hobbema reserve is in the middle of some of the most oil rich land in the province, and they, unlike the average land owner, own the oil rights. At the age of 18 each band member gets a HUGE payout ( over 100K). Despite all this oil money the reserve looks like a 3rd world city. burned out houses, graffiti everywhere, and huge problems with alcohol, drugs and gangs. I worked at a school there ( making much less than a regular provincial teacher) for one year and that was all I could take. If someone makes something of themselves, they are ostracized by their community as a sell out. Education is not valued. I don't have a clue why either. When someone goes out, gets an education, and then comes back to teach their own people, they are treated like dirt! But that is just my experience in one place. In no way do I mean all First Nations people are like that. My cousins are Meti and they are great people with a work ethic and intelligence anyone could envy.