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KSGregman 06-30-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 388460)
I don't think I've seen one race without 5+ dnfs

Tony Elias has some interesting thoughts on that subject...he says that the fact that the Moto2 machines are sooooo down on power is causing a safety issue during races....in that riders that can handle additional power are hamstrung...those riders that can't handle additional power/speed are able to ride with the more skilled riders...and get in over their heads while attempting to race the faster riders.

He argues (as most racers do) that the machines should be more powerful....to further seperate the great/experienced riders from those less skilled/less experienced. As it is, the experienced riders have to flog the piss out of the standard bike in order to truly gap/break the field...leading to what he calls being "put on the limit always."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161...ade_safer.html

Dave 06-30-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 388442)
Fix their shit and put at LEAST 2 additional bikes on the grid....it's getting to the point of embarrassment....a 15 rider grid....of which realistically, 10 are absolute cannon fodder with virtually NO chance to win the race....or to be anywhere NEAR the podium at the finish.

Having said that, Suzuki is going backwards this year...not forwards. Their bike is complete crap. It has an uncompetitive motor...the chasis sucks balls on anything other than a hot day...the bike doesn't turn and suffers from a fatal lack of grip. Loris Capirossi was said to have thrown down on Paul Denning after the last race....essentially delivering a "give me a competitive bike of fuck it" ultimatum after he and Bautista finished only ahead of a test rider filling in for an injured rider.

Good for him, as I understand it the gsv-r isint much more than an old rgv frame with a v4 stuffed into it. Ok, maybe a bit more refined...but not by much :lol:

Dave 06-30-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 388473)
Tony Elias has some interesting thoughts on that subject...he says that the fact that the Moto2 machines are sooooo down on power is causing a safety issue during races....in that riders that can handle additional power are hamstrung...those riders that can't handle additional power/speed are able to ride with the more skilled riders...and get in over their heads while attempting to race the faster riders.

He argues (as most racers do) that the machines should be more powerful....to further seperate the great/experienced riders from those less skilled/less experienced. As it is, the experienced riders have to flog the piss out of the standard bike in order to truly gap/break the field...leading to what he calls being "put on the limit always."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161...ade_safer.html

Interesting theory, kinda explains some things. I def thought nieto would be doing better for example

DLIT 06-30-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 388473)
Tony Elias has some interesting thoughts on that subject...he says that the fact that the Moto2 machines are sooooo down on power is causing a safety issue during races....in that riders that can handle additional power are hamstrung...those riders that can't handle additional power/speed are able to ride with the more skilled riders...and get in over their heads while attempting to race the faster riders.

He argues (as most racers do) that the machines should be more powerful....to further seperate the great/experienced riders from those less skilled/less experienced. As it is, the experienced riders have to flog the piss out of the standard bike in order to truly gap/break the field...leading to what he calls being "put on the limit always."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161...ade_safer.html

If that happened, Moto2 would be boring as shit to watch. And if he thinks he's being put on the limit by racing less experienced guys that are keeping up with him when he's at his limit's end, what does it say about him? Can't handle the heat, Tony?

Mr Lefty 06-30-2010 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DLIT (Post 388519)
If that happened, Moto2 would be boring as shit to watch. And if he thinks he's being put on the limit by racing less experienced guys that are keeping up with him when he's at his limit's end, what does it say about him? Can't handle the heat, Tony?

exactly what I was thinking...

KSGregman 06-30-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DLIT (Post 388519)
If that happened, Moto2 would be boring as shit to watch. And if he thinks he's being put on the limit by racing less experienced guys that are keeping up with him when he's at his limit's end, what does it say about him? Can't handle the heat, Tony?

I didn't read it that way...I read it as give me more power....these guys are tapped riding these bikes and are over their heads....hence the large number of accidents in the Moto2 class. I think he feels like alot of the guys wouldn't be able to handle the additional power and he wouldn't have to ride the bike as hard to create a gap on the majority of the field.

Porkchop 06-30-2010 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 388325)
According to Nick Harris and Gavin Emmit, it's a done deal....Stoner to Honda has already been signed too.

Should be an interesting season next year.... :rockwoot:

Who is done? Dovi???

Shit, I think Dovi has rode better this year than Pedrobear.

Trip 06-30-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 388672)
I didn't read it that way...I read it as give me more power....these guys are tapped riding these bikes and are over their heads....hence the large number of accidents in the Moto2 class. I think he feels like alot of the guys wouldn't be able to handle the additional power and he wouldn't have to ride the bike as hard to create a gap on the majority of the field.

Maybe he should move back up to MotoGP if he needs more power. Fuck him, that's some good fucking racing. He should be pushing it to win a race.

KSGregman 07-01-2010 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Porkchop (Post 388683)
Who is done? Dovi???

Shit, I think Dovi has rode better this year than Pedrobear.

No way Pedro-bot loses the Respol ride...he's Spanish.

The rumor is that Honda will run 3 "factory" bikes....2 in Repsol livery...for Stoner and Pedrosa...and one in Red Bull livery for Dovi.

z06boy 07-01-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman (Post 388693)
No way Pedro-bot loses the Respol ride...he's Spanish.

The rumor is that Honda will run 3 "factory" bikes....2 in Repsol livery...for Stoner and Pedrosa...and one in Red Bull livery for Dovi.

This is the 2nd time I've read this...this morning so sounds like a good possibility.


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