Everyone, stop txt'ing. You're just making them more money. LOL

We've gone too far to turn back now.

Everyone bitching about ATT needs to come clean. If you hate the iPhone just say so. I've had SBC/Cingular/ATT for 10 years. I've also been all over the country and probably where alot of you live at one point or another. This lack of coverage everyone is complaining about I simply haven't seen. The only place in North America I have been where I didn't have coverage was Alaska. No big surprise there.

I believe there are dead spots. I just have a hard time believing it is as wide spread as this thread makes it seem.

My best friend with a Verizon phone has shitty service everywhere, so it works both ways.

I've been with ATT/Cingular/et al for 10 years too, buddy. Come to Central PA, I'll show you a ton of places that ATT doesn't get voice service, let alone 3G. I'll also have my MIL stand there with her Verizon phone and call someone.

Had both, AT&T sucks in the southeast. I have traveled all over the Tennessee Valley Area for work in a lot of very very rural places where we hide our dirty coal plants and such. It's shitty service. I would get the iphone to test it out if it came to Verizon. Verizon very rarely lets me down.

The 3G service is very wide spread, AT&T has a much smaller 3G area.

I've been with them since they were originally AT&T wireless, too. And to this day, there are a number of places around here where I can tell someone "I'm probably going to lose you in a minute, I'll call you back when I can".

And coverage in the mountains is non-existent. When my friend has his accident out there this summer, I had to chase someone down to use their US Cellular phone to call 911. My wife has come to accept that she won't hear from me for 3-5 hours at at time because I just can't get service.

A lot of your touring you do of the countries is on interstates, right? Cellular networks are built around highways, so that's usually not a problem area. Get out in the sticks though and the difference become very apparent, very quick.

We have an Itouch and like it (though it has been a POS at times) so its like the iPhone...just without the crappy phone part.

So in a way..I like the iPhone.

ATT coverage S-U-C-K-S round here.
Verizon R-U-L-E-S round here.

I can begin a call leaving my house, travel to the train station.
Take the train the 46 miles to NYC, travel through underwater tunnels and walk out to corner of Pennsylvania Station, fart, swear and then proceed to walk the 1.3 miles to work and not lose the call.

With ATT, since we can't even get a decent signal from our house, you have to travel a few miles until you get a bar or two and then stand there. If you move you end up losing the call.

Of all the iPhone folks we know only one has kept it (and ATT) because there theater is located in the only place that gets a great ATT signal and a week Verizon signal.

I beleieve you when you say you have no problems with ATT...mainly because I have no reason to doubt you since location is everything with providers.

It just so happens for a lot of people ATT sucks.

Nice ninja edit on the poll results. Ghey.

Yeah.

Kinda tough to get an accurate read when someone is always dicking with the results.

You are at 7 votes for iphone, I can still see whats up.

I don't have one yet but I love the droid. I've been playing on one all weekend. There are some apps on Iphone i like better.
Kinda upset I didn't get that when I got my new phone but free is free.

the droid rules, best phone I have ever had

hey drewp hows the battery life? the g1 i use for work cant even pull a whole day

Sounds like my BB if I'm cranking on the apps. I have a twitter app that really slugs my battery.

You're mostly right Dan. A lot of my touring is via interstate. However, I also have done quite a bit that is not on interstate. I'd estimate it at 75/25. So, due to that, my results are skewed some I'm sure.

Maybe I need to make my own map showing where I've had coverage and where I haven't, and on which roads. LOL Take THAT AT&T and Verizon!

dude i had it on the charger in the van and then i surfed twf for thirty minutes waiting for peeps to get to the bar and it was at 3/4

Mines not that bad. I can use it all day long on a single charge...but if I run the twitter app then it drains quickly.

Ha, with little bubbles "Can you hear me now? Hello? You still there?" :lol:

You can just pop in another battery. :lol. Everything on smart phones now is its own "program", you'll need to install a task manager so u can manually shut down programs so they arnt just sucking on the batt tit.

i get about two days out of it, using atk makes it last alot longer, and setting the display brightness to auto adjust helps too

atk?

Android 2.0 as a built in process manager.

I just close that bitch when I dont need it. Problem solver revolver, kid.

Update: I got her both.

I wanted to do a side-by-side comparison of the two, so we got one of each. One will be kept, one will be returned.

She wanted the iPhone and I expected her to favor that one but the DROID is pretty much kicking the shit out of it so far. Better phone, better camera, easier to view, the keyboard is nice and doesn't feel flimsy at all.

She actually finds the DROID as user-friendly if not moreso than the Apple.

The ability to be talk and surf is a nice feature of the iPhone.

Her big concern is the compatibiltiy / sync-ing issues with her Mac (DROID).

Droid is heavier & thicker though :p

Heavier yes.

Thicker no.

The weight isn't an issue though. It keeps it from being just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.

droid = 0.54", iphone 3gs = 0.48" :p

O my god. But but but but............its thicker. Wow thats a HUGE different. When I first got my hands on one, my brain said, "This muthafucka is .06" thicker. What a fucking piece of shit smart phone this is."


If people think the Droid is heavy then they need to jerk off more to build some forearm strength. This phone is not heavy.

:lol:

I have an HTC diamond and leon has the touch pro 2. Verizon. I think my next phone is gonna be the droid.

And has square corners, so it's not as easy to slide into a pocket.

:lol:

You fuckin bitch.

Heard a rumor that the Iphone is going to verizon in june

AT&T is scrambling to find an exclusive replacement.

On a similar note, today in Taipei I saw a new keypad technology a North America-based cell phone manufacturer is coming out with... gonna be interesting.

I've heard a rumor that it may happen well before that.

Well Apple has a big announcement next week. Will probably be a tablet, maybe iPhone OS 4.0. Some people are saying they will announce an iPhone on Verizon too but I doubt that.

I've heard its the Verizon deal.

I heard it's not going to be iphone as we know it.

It's going to be a tablet that works with Verizons 4G and a "lite" version of the iphone.

How big is the tablet going to be? If it gets too big why not just get a netbook.

because it doesnt have the pretty apple logo on it. It's not going to be a pocket device.

And that's the thing. If something forces you to carry it in a bag instead of a pocket, then it needs to have a keyboard IMO.

Tablets are useful, but not for most people. I love them on the worksite for inventory/equipment tracking reasons. I don't want to carry a laptop and have to fiddle with a keyboard/touchpad out in the plant. Having a touch sensitive screen is nice, especially when it's large enough to be useful when dealing with large databases.

You know, you say that...but I have never had anything but problems with Windows PCs and laptops...and I've had a lot of them going back to MS Dos. Its always something, a virus, malware, weird access rights and so on.

Now, I have a computer background as a hobbyist, my Dad taught me how to build computers when I was 12, so I'm not a dunce...yet far from an expert. Dad has been in IT for the past 20 years and even he has trouble.

I've never had a Mac, but if they have less problems then I'm all about it.

I've used both. I like both. I recommend Macs to computer illiterates because it's much easier to use IMO. Price is finally starting to get a little easier to swallow.

My next computer will most likely be a Mac.

However, this doesn't change the fact that an Apple logo is a status symbol for a lot of people that own a iphone/Mac/ipod

I've said it before, I'll say it again. My iMac is awesome. It's damn near flawless.

you sound like a prime candidate for linux

I have a station that uses ubuntu, it's ok.

XP - No issues did everything I needed it to do
Vista - No issues did everything I needed it to
Win7 - No issues does everything I need it to do
Mac...nice but useless to me as an OS and it offers little value\per dollar
Linux - Nice after a few days of headaches trying to get everything I want on it to work properly. Currently not worth the effort when I have other PCs\Laptops that get the same job done. When XP becomes a dinosaur, then I'll head back over to linux.

Id like a tablet that I could use in my living room away from my desktop computer and also take on road trips that could surf the web, give me magazines like an e-reader and had quick power on and a log standby time like an iPod. I also would like to be able to integrate it with my home theater. I dont need a music player but the ability to connect to my TV with HDMI and play HD video from the web or built-in storage would be great.

Thinkpad x200 tablet w/multi-touch is pretty sweet and the optional 8-cell has good battery life. Not sure if HDMI out is an option on any of the models though.

Jeeez. You all sound like you're in a cult. "The HOLY ONE is going to make a speech!"

lol wut

Exactly.

Apple makes good stuff. Hate it if you want.

I wasn't hating apple. Just listen to how people talk.

That was awesome, because so much of it is true. :lol

I should make a video about all the people who claim they avoid Apple because of:

1) its limitations on open source (even though they rarely search for any apps, much less develop their own)
2) irreplaceable battery (even though they always replace their gadgets long before the battery would ever go bad)
3) don't want to be limited to iTunes (even though they aren't)

After all these fake reasons were disposed of, my video would then reveal the true reason they avoid Apple: Because they're worried about what their friends think.

I still like my iPhone

I hate every second I have to use/test with Macs for work. There's nothing good about OSX unless you are only doing simple things like web surfing, word processing, paint program, etc, IMO.

What about these two?

1) Is a terrible phone, you know the main reason you buy the device.
2) Is on a shitty network.

I dont know that number 1 applies much anymore. Actual talking is going by the wayside.

AT&T sucks yes that's a given, but is there any authoritiative test data, not just rumors, that the iPhones reception is weak?

Yes there is, it's not just rumor.

Yes there are numerous reports that a lot of the iphone issues as a phone is hardware related.

My iPhone works as well or better as an actual phone than any other phone I've ever had. Really, I think people just like to hate on that which is currently popular. There's nothing wrong with the iPhone as a phone. All cells drop calls, have dead spots, etc. etc.

People also like taking up for deficiencies in their property as well.

Meh, maybe. But I've had the iPhone and the dreaded ATT network two years now without problems. Maybe 1 dropped call a week, something like that anyway.

I still don't get why anyone wouldn't own an iPhone. Love the shit outta mine.

But does any magazine or website do regular comparison tests of reception strength?

I've never lost a call on the past two phones I've had. One was a Razer and the other is an LG whaddeveritizwiddakeboard.

We're a Verizon town up here though.

There are all kinds of reports out there. I can't search for it now.

There was one I read that took a basic att free phone and did research on signal strength and dropped calls and the iphone sucked a nut in comparison.

Stop being an asshole.

You know how to use google when you need to see whats hot in mens thongs so you can fucking use google to see about iPhone issues
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...s?taxonomyId=1

My Sony Ericsson on AT&T gets lots of dropped calls.

:ws:

Good article, but I asked for comparison tests fool.

You asked a question.

Your question was answered by an industry insider.

Now you want everyone else to dig through magazines to convince you? :lol:

:lol Great post. :owned:

:shrug: It shouldn't be too hard to give me the name of a magazine that does comparison tests of cellphone reception strength. I don't need the exact link.

People can say "Yes there is evidence" all they want, but just saying something doesn't make it so. I'd like actual data, along with an explanation of how the tests were conducted.

I think I must've lucked out and just live in an area where ATT has really strong reception.

Just checked CNET, they don't compare reception. All they say is: "Cellular reception is a two-part equation. The first factor is the strength of the carrier's network. Without a doubt, signal strength plays a huge role, so if you're having trouble getting a signal in a specific area, I'd blame the network first. But the cell phones themselves also have an effect. Since no two phone models are the same, they will differ in the strength and the accuracy of their antennas and receivers. In my experience, Nokia phones tend to offer solid reception, but there's not an industry consensus by any means. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions. "

From what I understand, large metropolitan areas generally have good reception with ATT. Here it is fairly good from what I understand.

The equipment to test cellular strength accurately costs millions of dollars and requires people trained to run it properly. A 3rd party test house charges a minimum of ~$70,000 to do a minimal development run, you think a magazine is going to pay that for each phone they review? I'm not going to post proprietary information here and speed up the process of my layoff to satisfy your curiosity.

Good luck finding that all-knowing CNET article.

Awesome find! No wonder you look to them for all the answers. :lol:

I only posted it to state that at least I tried. So far nobody else has.

And your findings should tell you why.

But since the testing equipment does exist, why aren't some manufacturers using the results in their advertising?

Because the results would be meaningless to consumers. Congratulations, your phone's TRP in 850GSM is 18.5dBm!*

*Averaged in 3 degree increments for 360 degrees for both phi and theta using a SAM right position (Specific Anthropomorphic Mannequin).

You feel like you know your phone better now? :lol:

Also, manufacturers do not share data, so would you want to willingly put your data on the box and have the competition eek you out by 0.2dBm? The engineers know that difference would have 0 impact on customer performance, but what would it do to customer perception?

AT&T has minimum performance requirements in place for just this reason... any phone sold to operate on their network must meet acceptable performance requirements with their equipment. Unless there's a value proposition they simply can't pass up. ;)

There has to be some way to do it. Even if it's not too scientifically rigorous. Why doesn't CNET just take a bunch of phones, hook them up to the same carrier, and take them all to one location outside of the metro area where service is known to start having issues, and see which phones drop calls and which don't?

They sucked ass when I was living in the outer suburbs of San Diego. Even just drywall would block the signal.

Because it would be a useless test because there are far too many variables that can't be ignored in favor of a non-scientific test for the masses. What if the call dropped because network issues or traffic? What if one continues a call but has no audio, is that better or worse?

CNET wisely chooses not to bash a cell phone manufacturer at the risk of slander based on an extremely small sample size and coverage area used for a test that's out of their range of expertise.

And, that's why AT&T has (extremely challenging) minimum performance requirements for handset vendors.

But you said earlier the iPhone has difficulties. Are they on the low end of those standards, or did they miss the standard and ATT let them slide anyway?

You really didn't get that from this?

You didn't call out the iPhone in that quote ;)

Gee, I wonder why. If you can't read between those lines, I'm afraid I can't help you. :lol:

:lol:

Anyone find a magazine article yet?

Not just any article, a CNET article!