Rossi career statistics - GOAT?
 

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The choices should've been:

A: Hell yes
B: This shouldn't even really be here because it's not a debate, yes again!

Agostini didnt have traction control or any other electronics. this in my mind voids any bid vale might have for the crown

Not yet, but close.

Even when he surpasses Ago's GP finishes, he still wouldn't be the GOAT because he had yet to tackle and win the Isle of Man TT.

While I agree it's not an apples to apples comparison, Agostini raced against those w/o traction control or electronics, so the playing field was level in that respect, and Rossi raced against guys using the same hardware as he in terms of traction control/electronics. So for there own perspective eras I can't say they had a competitive advantage over their peers other than their own skills.

For the record I don't like the use of traction control or electronics I like it old school but if I was piloting one of those monsters are the circuit I'd most likely feel different.

Rossi didn't have TC or electronics when he started racing either.

That has come about in the last decade or so. While I think it takes some of the excitement out of it, Rossi has proven able to adapt.

I'm sure if Agostini was racing today, he wouldn't refuse TC.

Rossi won't reach Ago's 15 titles but I hope he stays long enough to get 123 total wins.

There should be no doubt, Vale = GOAT.

What did Rossi have up until about 3 years ago? If he didn't use electronics, those who can utilize them would be winning. Not Rossi..

Ago never rode a 190hp 500cc two stroke.

I also think the competition is tougher now, with all the new technology, fitness regimes(think Barry Sheene), coaching, tires and machinery.

Vale, hands down.

Is this really a valid question? Of course he is.

ago never had modern frame or tire tech either. tell you what, you go out and break the shit out of rossi's leg ad see how he does. i might yield my position :lol


i also want to see rossi race a screamer vs everyone else on big bang

I'll go with yes.

Yea I have to give you this point. no offense to Ago fans but I bet Nicky Hayden could take his ass. Back when they raced, they weren't athletes like they are now and the bikes were monsters for sure but not like now. I don't know for sure but it seemed as though a lot of people racing back in those days were more Isle of Mann types-wildcards and occasional racers. Not professional racers like now. The lowliest privateer bike would crush any of the old bikes without ever taking it out of 4th gear. IMHO.

Rossi did race with a broken leg.
Aogs early bikes might have had 40-50hp, they didn't need modern frame or tire tech. The later ones were 500 smokers, but did not put out the same power that Rossi had to deal with. Even with the big bang motors, they were still mega wicked, and hard to ride.

meh

I want to see Rossi or any of the modern WSBK/GP champs and contenders on the Island of Man TT. I spoke with the Bostrom Brothers and they said not only no, but HELL NO!!!

fine, against doohan then.

For that reason alone I hold Carl Fogarty in high regard. He broke the record in 92 or 93 and held it for 7 years. That's impressive. That's a 123 mph lap on machinery from 18 years ago. The 130 mph mark was just broken in the last couple years.

I give Rossi all the credit in the world (even more to Haga) but the TT is the real test in my eyes...

The only reason Doohan was dominant was because he was there in a time when there was no competition. The two years he races with Rainey and Schwantz, they both won the title(Doohan might have in 92, if it wasn't for Assen), but he was no where near dominant when racing against talent. From 94 on, once everybody good retired, he won everything. By default.

Rossi has had to race against good talented racers his entire career.

Why is the TT a true racers test?...It's not because of anything more than you have to be crazy to do it...Even Ago admitted to that when his best friend got killed racing there...He never raced the TT after that death...

So accordingly anything he did after that should not count, because he was no longer a 'real racer'.
:lol

Because it's the ultimate balls-out riding contest. It's like Paris-Dakar.

You can ride your dirt bike on flat track or motorcross all you want, but until you survive hell in the desert, it ain't no daisy.