H.I.D. System $25!!!
 

DDM tuning has lowered their prices to $25 for the single bulb system! That's with the slim-all digital ballast, and everything you need to install it. There has been a lot of discussion on the merit of HIDs in the past on this forum. FWIW DDM claims a 6 amp draw on start up and 3.4amp during operation. All I can say is that I love my HIDs and I wouldn't go back to normal bulbs! I just ordered a kit for my girl's bike!:rockwoot:

http://www.ddmtuning.com/catalog/Mot...ting-61-1.html

I would like to know how long those hold up, because if they were quality parts I don't see how they could sell them for so low.

Well, let me put it like this... I've had mine for over 3 years. They work perfectly and I've had zero problems with them. On the other hand I bought a set a Sylanvia Ultra White bulbs, which were about $30 each and they lasted about, 3 months (no bs). Autozone gave me a new set but it still sucked! FWIW DDM warranties this system for life.

Hey Tig, did you go 35w or 55W? I need to order these for both of my bikes

Does it have the standard bulb on it for the high beam then?

How long for the sale? Or is this the new permanant price?

NICE! FWIW... I've had DDM HID kits on both of my bikes... the H4 Hi/Lo kit on my ZZR 35w... and 55w H7 kit on my 600RR. both worked awesomly.

gonna order a single H4 Hi/Lo 35w for the DRZ...

they've got lifetime warranties... so no worries.

Would you recommend the 55W for my 04 CBR 1000?

honestly... my ZZR's were way brighter

but then again... my ZZR had two headlights on at all times...

but Trip's 06 RR had 35's and my 08 had 55's.... wasn't noticeable to me... but it's only $7 I think... so who knows.


I'm going with the 35w on my DRZ... to help save me some power as the stock stator is WEAK.

I am leaning towards the 35w setup right now.

you won't be dissapointed... the 35w still throws out A LOT more light than any halogen light... just get the 35w and be done with it...

Great deal. But, not one for me. I looked into it and I'd have to replace my entire headlight to efficiently make use of the system.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

I wish I had gotten a high low kit for my bike.

So the hi/lo kit has a HID for both applications?

Also, do you think there would be any problem if I ran a dual setup for my spots, and a single on the headlight? I hate when fog lights don't match headlights.

i have the 35w 4500k kit on my bike, been happy w/ it, but the draw is pretty high, it's reset my clock a few time, makes me think my battery is weak, cuz the clock reset itself some time between wed. evening and this morn. and it was chilly/cold last night.

anyway, the prob. w/ hi beam HIDs is that HIDs take a sec-2 to get up to full strength, now if you ride hi beams during the day no biggie, but i ONLY use my hi's to flash somebody , and by the time the lights get up to full power the incident is already over. + the HIDs are really bright to begin w/ so IMO hi's are not nec.

4500k is the most light output, when you start going higher in K's you loose light output.

and i wouldn't recommend 55w on any bike unless you direct wire the lights to your battery. and even then it's really overkill. and could damage the wiring on your OE harness

also on a bike, the lights turn on 2 times in a row in quick sucession, 1 x when you turn the key to the on position, and the 2nd after you release the engine start button, thats hard on HIDs and batterys,

my sequence now is

press the start button
turn the key on (lights stay off)
squeeze the clutch (which then starts the bike, but lights are still off)
give it a sec. for the engine to get going
release teh start button, the lights finally get turned on


i have the DDMs in my 1 y.o. accord and 1 bulb has gone bad, it's not OUT in the sense it doesn't light up, but its not as bright as the other one. so i', gonna have to send back to them for them to replace it, which is a PITA, cuz then i gotta install my reg. bulbs while i wait for shipping back and forth then reinstall teh HIDs

the Hi/Lo kit is only for bikes that have bulbs with dual filiments.. ie H4 bulbs.

if your bike is like my 600RR where one bulb is for low the other for high... you either go with the dual bulb system and deal with the High taking a couple seconds to come on... or stick with a halogen high beam and get the single bulb system


YOU COULD if you're good with electrical... do a conversion... to an H4 kit... but remember your reflector wasn't built for anything but a single beam pattern... so it wouldn't do you any good.

Ok... Current setup
As shown
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ic/Mods051.jpg

I'm with ya guys on no need for a hid hi beam. I get that. Hell I rarely use the highbeam now. Plus when I do it kills my spot lights. And the idea of a delay for HID high beam sounds crazy. So the single is HID lo and halagon hi. Correct?

I have a H4 headlight (dual filament inside 1 headlight).

I have two spot lights with 881 bulbs. (fog light bulbs very common to cars). I love the light these put out all over. Am worried about wiring in an HID for these.

You can barely see the black wire under the spot on the left of the pic (right side spot/left in pic). Look at the blue cabinet. Once from there it goes into the fairing them I'm home free. But how long are the wires from ballast to bulb????
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ic/Mods018.jpg

I was considering if I can't do a HID on the 881. Perhaps the LED replacements. I have heard good things about the H7 and H4s but nothing about the little fog light sizes.

H4
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-x-6...#ht_3244wt_972

Example of 881
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2pcs-...item2303e2d341

I tried to call DDm but I think they are closed for the holiday.

gas if you go with the H4 hi/lo kit it's magnetically actuated... it moves a shield back and forth to flip to hi/lo so there will be no delay from low to high. the only delay will be when the light FIRST ignites.

Yeah I read that here
http://ddmtuning.com/support/index.p...eid=36&nav=0,2

I have seen some HIDs where they actually have a halogen bulbs sitting next to the HID for the high beam circuit.
Like this one (big pic)
http://lowdownchopshop.com/component...aea8f66c64.jpg

All it really does it make it able to complete the hi beam circuit. No other purpose. Cause as somebody said, with the HID there is no need for the high beam.

true... but for high speed runs I did use the hid highs on my cbr and ZZr.

that and I run highs during the day time... more noticeable.

During the day is not an issue when you have the spot lights. Probably also the case when you consider night time riding. As it stands now there is a shit load of light out the front of the bike. It lights up 5 lanes wide plus shoulder. But more is still better.

I'm set on the H4. I just need to find out on the 881 spot light bulbs.

call DDM... they're kick ass to deal with.

my first order was all fucked up because I went through XenonExpert.com... they basicly take orders then have Apexcone ship them (apexcone owns DDM.com) so I called DDM and they canceled the order through XE... then replaced the order through them, and gave me 15%off for being military. AND shipped it over night for free.

Yeah I tried to call them today but they were closed I think due to the holiday. Funny thing, the machine said they were open yet when I pushed 1 for sales or 2 for tech the line just rang and rang.

I just hope ther prices dont jump or somin. How long have they been discounted like this?

no idea... gonna order mine on Monday. didn't know about the sale till tigger posted... but was planning on this purchase for a while... so I'm not gonna be too upset if it goes back... but it'd be nice to save that $30

Well i found out from another source that they do make 881 bulbs. And upon further inspection of my bike. As long as they make the bulbs... I'm ordering it monday as well.

Mine are on any time the key is in the on position, even while the starter is cranking, which is why I don't think I'll ever install HIDs on this bike.

You could always wire in a power switch in line. That way you just turn them on after the bike is running.

check out Tripageled.com they make a relay to delay the HID's. I didn't need it on my ZZR as the lights delayed anyways.... but the RR Trip killed his battery numerous times... so I bought the relay to avoid that (he got one too eventually) mine worked great for a while... then boom I had no lights... disconnected the relay... and they worked perfectly.

the relay was fine... just the way we wired them the wires touched and shorted the relay out. :idk: oh well.

I think the relay was like $50

Me and Trip have already had this fight but I say again... 3 years and no problems with the HIDs and my battery is the original unit. :idk: what was going on with Trip and I don't know where he got his HIDs but DDM swears that their ballast only draws 6 amps during start up which is actually LESS than some aftermarket halogens. Especially those with the higher lumen/wattage ratings.:idk:

Maybe Honda uses a crap stator. I have my Power Commander, HIDs, LEDs, J&M Integrator, Valentine 1, alarm, phone charger, and my GPS hooked up to my bike and I have never had a problem.:lol:

Well I thought current draw (amps) was calcuated by dividing the watts output by the voltage. So if I have a standard 55w halogen, divide that by 12V and that's 4.6 amps continuous draw. Right?

Thanks for the links on the relay ebbs..

If this HID is really only 6 amps startup.......then I probably wouldn't need the relay........But I dunno, seems hard to believe.

Oh and then they drop to 3.4 amps, I think... Heck, I ran 100w bulbs on my '03 without incident... In fact, no bs but I haven't even bought a bike battery for at least 15 years, I don't think. Of course, I've only owned Yamaha and Suzuki in that time frame so...:lol:

I think my HD is the same way. Want to double check it.

I'm calling ddm monday.

I was told by a guy I know that sells HIDs, that he use to sell the same black digital ballast versions that ddm does. But he had problems with them. So he sells a different brand that has a silver digital ballast. Not sure what that is about. Plan on asking him and ddm.

oh i know... I used the relay for a while but tossed it shortly after the rally as it shorted out... ran the HID's longer with out the relay than with.

I'll not have a relay on the DRZ

Dude! WHAT THE FUCK?? I have left 5 messages on 2 different extensions over the past 2 days. Not one fuckin return phone call.

Thought this place was the real deal?

If this is what i can expect to do a sale, their warrenty must be fuckin useless!

Yeowtch.

damn... they took care of me right away when I called... but that was last year prior to leaving for my Indy trip on my mid tour.

let me see if I can find the e-mail of the owner for ya ;)

858-565-1742

that's the number I have... talk to Paul if you can... he's the one that hooked me up...

if not.. I have Mr. Jim Powel's e-mail address, he's the owner of Apexcone/DDM-tuning.

I finally got a call back from them. Said he's not sure what happened yesterday. Spoke to Brian and he was very helpfull and answered all my 300 quetions. So I am going to place an order with him for

1 - H4 hi/lo 55W 8k color ddm
1 - dual 880 35W 6k color ddm

That is 3 HIDs on the front of my beast. Should look like the sun driving down the road.

why you going with 8k? 5k is the most luminous... I think 8k is more blue (can't remember if it's the higher the bluer or yellower)

Crap. I have to add +$20 for H4 hi/lo. :td:

I was told that the 6k would be best. But that the 8k on the 55w would look similar to the 6k of the 35w bulbs.
Which is
As described here
http://ddmtuning.com/support/index.p...eid=38&nav=0,2

I want a hint of blue. I think it makes your headlight stick out in the crowd a bit more (day or night) which increases me being seen as well. So the 8k would be more blue... but by going to a 55w the color should wash out and get more white. That's the idea. Is my logic that I worked out with brian flawed?

with all this talk of delaying the firing of the ballast for the hid's, has anyone wired it thru the kickstand switch? dont need to remember to hit the switch to turn your lights on, its already there as opposed to adding an additional switch...start the bike, and when u put the kickstand up the lights come on. sounds simple. do-able? did i overlook something?

just bought set, thx for linky

ahh ok... looks like you thought it through... it's all good... just wondering the reasoning.

interesting idea... though my kickstand switch is disabled as it can cause the motor to cut out when you go over fast bumpy terrain.

instead I found a headlight switch for another bike that will plug right into a harness I already have that will shut off the lights... PIMP

As a frame of reference, my HID is 8k. It's blue, damn near purple.

That fucking bike is gonna look like day light coming down the road.

Marko. And u like it this way?

Honestly, if and when the bulb goes I'll probly buy something a little closer to 6k. But, you've seen it. It's plenty bright and has good color.

i heard-that when puttin em in a projector style headlight like the buells, u get a true color, as in your 8000k is supposed to look like that. but if you put the same 8000k bulb in a reflector style housing, the appearance in color becomes more like a 6000k. dont know why, but thats what i heard. it wasnt on ddm's site, but whatever site it was on also had what ddm was saying about how at 55w, some color gets washed out, etc etc basically exactly what gman said.

i wonder if i could put buells projectors in my headlight housing

I'm thinking of putting a xb headlight/screen combo in the drz

Yeah, thats definately the color its supposed to be.

I'm going to call them in abt 30min when they open and double check with Ebbs guy Paul.

I want some color but don't want it to look crazy. My main goal is optinum light with some color to increase daytime visiabilty.

i guess I should order a 6K set for the 25R...
suppose i'll actually have to order 2 sets, since there are 2 bulbs for the dims huh?

Projector beams in that bad boy?

No Cutty you just order the correct bulb in a single. One kit.

And I spoke to somebody at DDM just now. He agrees with my logic. He also says that none of theirs are ever that blue. They are typically more white than other brands.

Yeah because you have two low AND two high bulbs... You'd need two kits. can't imagine the light thatd put out with all four on!!!!

DO IT. NOW! Now.

They are not projector beams like in the XB, but should still be bright as hell.

I wouldn't do all 4, i'd keep the brights regular bulbs for flashing and for the wig wags when I get home.

and I don't care about blue. I just want bright.

Ebbs, you had 5500's in the ZZR right?

yeah 35w 5500's... fuck'n bright as day.

ordered the same in a single bulb variety for the DRZ

So your bike has 4 seperate bulbs inside of 2 housings?

yeah
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/ima...25R_STU02r.jpg

get a 12000k 10000k 8000k and 6000k
:pg:
winner fo sho

WOW... guess I never bent down to look in there. That is suckage!

fucking awesome lights though. wish all bikes had headlights like that. I fucking hate the "black eye" look

technically 6 in 2 housings, but 2 are just running lights

Looks like about $50 for the set of 2 for the dims... not too bad. Thinking I should go with the 35W as the stock lights are 35W.

And they are pretty good stock, but Ebbs' HIDs in the ZZR were as bright as my lights as he was following me a couple car lengths back.
yeah... I like that.

Doesnt having standard reflector housings scatter the HID light all shitty? Thats what I always heard.

doesn't always.. but it can.

Beat.

we will find out in about 9 months.

After some reading on some buell forms, I went against all I said.
Ordered a pair of the 55W 8K's.

They will be waiting for when I get home.

Why 55 and why 8k?

55 is brigher than 35... so i went with the bigger is better theory.

8K cause I want just a hint of blue, and the guys at DDM say that the 55W 8K have the same color as the 35W 6K.

:idk: seemed like a good idea at the time.

Do the 25's have any issue with melting stock wiring connections? The XB's were rumored to kill the stock headlight connectors if you plug and played. I ran a relay to the battery, well gas man did technically, and used the stock connector as the on/off switch essentially.

that's the way all the badwebbers were doing it too, and no issues reported.
There shouldn't be, as the majority of the power for the lights is running through the dedicated line, all the stock connections do is tell it when they "should" be on.

I may wire in a switch inline as well, so I control when they turn on.

There was a guy on Buellxb.com that wired a timed relay. Had a nice diagram in his post too.

Cutty... I got an email today that the 55W ballast is on backorder. WTF

Yeah, I got that email too, and they are closed on weekends... damnit!

guess I'll wait to call till monday.

If the 35W 6K's are in stock, I'll change my order... if not, oh well... Not like I really need 'em real soon :lol:

Get the 35's you skanks.

if the fuckers would work weekends I would change my order, but all order changes must be made verbally.

can't call 'em to change my order if they aren't open.

yeah to be honest... Trip had the 35w and I had the 55w... and while we didn't sit side by side to compare... it's wasn't readily apparent that mine were brighter...

you'll be happy either way coming from halogen... it's amazing how much more light there is... especially on the fringe... where the halogen still throw light... just not enough to help you see... the HID lights it up perfectly.

Ha!!! I must have gotten the last ones, BITCHES!!! My lights came in Thursday!!! I'm doing my high beams and I'm doing both the high and low beam on my GF's bike!:rockwoot:

Well, I posted on 5 different bike forums...:lol:

35W is all you really need. 55W is useless. I could run full out at the gap with 35W. No point in 55W because I doubt most of you would ever need to use them at night.

I bet I can outride even 55W's.

Remember, flat and straight... yeah, at 130 you overdrive a LOT of lights.

You shouldn't be doing that kind of speed at night. Doofus.

Here's my second complaignt... or maybe its my 3rd...

They charged my credit card. WTF is that if they haven't shipped my shit?

shouldn't do it during the day either, what's your point?

I was just countering Trip saying that you couldn't outdrive the 35's...

No charge on mine, yet.

Worrrd. I put their 55w 5000k single bulb kit in my Aprilia a few weeks ago & hooooly SHIT that thing throws some light now!!!



OEM set-up on my bike was a single H7 low beam with dual H7s high beam.

Here's what all 3 look like now with the single HID low beam.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._5159554_n.jpg


Doesn't look like there's much difference in output from that picture, but...

Stock Dual H7 halogen high-beams
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._5092382_n.jpg

Versus

Single 55w 5000k HID
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._7421016_n.jpg


Granted, these pics were taken with my cell phone and it MIGHT be a bit exaggerated, but the difference is still amazing. :rockwoot:
Best 50 bucks I've spent by far (it was 50 shipped because I went with the 55w version instead of the 35.)

Cutty, my buddy has an 1125R with HID and he just did the low-beams. That's all you need with that thing.

See?:lol:

55w vs 35w, it's not about extending the distance that you can see, but improving how WELL you can see what's being lit up. There shouldn't be any debate that a 55w system puts out more light than a 35w system.

But day or night, if you can't come to a complete stop in the distance that you can effectively see, you're over riding your sight line... The only way to REALLY increase that distance at night is to go full on HID, lows AND highs and flood the entire road with light.

I know, that's all I'm doing. Still need a dual kit...

5000k 35w kit, hi's and lo's
lights up the freaking sky!!

literally, the aim is horrible lol

Stop doing wheelies. ;)

The bulb goes back into the stock position...you may want to take another look at your install. Otherwise, your headlights are adjustable just like a car's.

I'm ordering a set with a group buy up here!

I have my 2 kits... just waiting on some other parts before I tear into the bike.

Nice.

Got mine as well. Actually, gf has them. Waiting for me to come home before I tear into the bike :lol:

yea its just a bitch to get to that screw, the install was fine, the aim was kinda fucked before i did it.

See, are here you were trying to blame it on the HIDs, how could you? I'm not sure that we should see each other any more...Hahahhahahahaahha!

WHOOT! i know whats going in place of my *fog* headlight

Lol just gotta find a housing i like

got em adjusted pretty close to correct, never going back to halogen lights ever , this shit is great. best 50bucks i ever spent on this thing.

and it was insanely easy to install, took ten mins longer than it takes to change reg bulbs, since u have lil ballasts to mount.