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Kaneman 12-15-2009 11:52 AM
Do you believe the vast majority of Pro Athletes...
 
...are on some type of banned substance? I was just listening to Colin Cowherd talk about it, and he feels like I always have, that most pro athletes juice.

tached1000rr 12-15-2009 11:54 AM
I don't think so personally and while I can't prove it, none of my buddies who played professionally did, we all go way back enough that if they were I think I would have known.

Tmall 12-15-2009 11:55 AM
The top level, yes.. In most cases.

The average pro? No...

tommymac 12-15-2009 11:56 AM
Probably not as much now, but guys ar ealways looking to get around the rules somehow and its a cat and mouse game.
Tom

Rider 12-15-2009 11:56 AM
As long as there is competition in the world, there will ALWAYS be people that will do whatever it takes to gain a competitive advantage. Especially when there is money involved.

Tmall 12-15-2009 11:58 AM
I've always wanted to start a sports league that clearly states there will be drug testing..

Mma would be crazy if they adopted those rules..

Kaneman 12-15-2009 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 306130)
As long as there is competition in the world, there will ALWAYS be people that will do whatever it takes to gain a competitive advantage. Especially when there is money involved.
Right on, but what percentage of those people do you think actually juice?

Rider 12-15-2009 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaneman (Post 306132)
Right on, but what percentage of those people do you think actually juice?
No idea but I would say that probably the majority(>50.1%) of pro sports athletes have juiced at some point in there career.

marko138 12-15-2009 01:34 PM
If you're not cheating you're not trying.

t-homo 12-15-2009 01:57 PM
I'd say most have at some point.

It's the same with any other drug. Marijuana is illegal so things like K2 that are almost exactly the same come out and are made illegal in a few years. Same will keep happening.

CrazyKell 12-15-2009 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 306128)
The top level, yes.. In most cases.

The average pro? No...
Exactly!

It's like saying "do all professional athletes cheat?".....ya probably! :lol:

karl_1052 12-15-2009 05:02 PM
Yes.

I would bet it is closer to 100%(plus or minus 0.000000001%)

derf 12-15-2009 05:14 PM
YUp, 90% are on some type of performance enhancing medicine. The sports docs all use thier own stuff until it gets found out then they go on to the next one.

marko138 12-15-2009 05:18 PM
The other question is does anyone really care? People wanna talk about "the integrity of the game" and other horse shit. But does it matter?

I say no. It's entertainment. Pro sports doesn't mean anything. Purity? Who gives a fuck? Not me. Peeps wanna see 900 ft homers, 400 yard TD passes, 1,000,000,000 yard field goals, 1.2 second 40 yard dashes, etc. You dont get that from being "pure".


When a game ends 1-0 or 3-0 what do people say? They are pissed cuz there was no offense. They weren't "ENTERTAINED". And thats the bottom line.

tommymac 12-15-2009 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 306442)
When a game ends 1-0 or 3-0 what do people say? They are pissed cuz there was no offense. They weren't "ENTERTAINED". And thats the bottom line.

Unless youre one of those purists who would like to see a good pitching duel, or a good defensive battle.

Tom

marko138 12-15-2009 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 306445)
Unless youre one of those purists who would like to see a good pitching duel, or a good defensive battle.

Tom
A good pitching duel or a good defensive battle breed crime. Thats right. Breeds crime. People get bored watching that shit and get drunk and go on rampages.

Moral of the story: Prevent crime, do steriods.

tommymac 12-15-2009 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 306449)
A good pitching duel or a good defensive battle breed crime. Thats right. Breeds crime. People get bored watching that shit and get drunk and go on rampages.

Moral of the story: Prevent crime, do steriods.
Youre mistaking that with soccer games, sit around for almost 2 hrs for a 1-0 game you need to take it to the streets and cause anarchy :lol:

Captain Morgan 12-15-2009 06:20 PM
I don't know, but I believe most pro-athletes are cheating on their wives/girlfriends, etc. :lol:

TommyHotWheel 12-21-2009 10:57 PM
When the ingredients of most over the counter allergy meds and sinus relief pills are banned(an effing joke that you cant take most over the counter or common, everyday prescribed steroid treatments like Prednisone), the answer is most are taking banned substances. Just cuz its banned doesnt mean they are taking it for performance enhancement.

TYEster 12-22-2009 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 306442)
The other question is does anyone really care? People wanna talk about "the integrity of the game" and other horse shit. But does it matter?

I say no. It's entertainment. Pro sports doesn't mean anything. Purity? Who gives a fuck? Not me. Peeps wanna see 900 ft homers, 400 yard TD passes, 1,000,000,000 yard field goals, 1.2 second 40 yard dashes, etc. You dont get that from being "pure".


When a game ends 1-0 or 3-0 what do people say? They are pissed cuz there was no offense. They weren't "ENTERTAINED". And thats the bottom line.
This is what I don't get. I don't see how it is unfair. Ok so some writing in the rule book makes it unfair, boohoo, well I guess no one really wants their own team to win. Because it's not fair when you're clean and everyone else is on something.

I'm sure almost EVERY pro athlete is on something, or did something to gain any advantage they could. Especially in mainstream sports, there's millions of dollars on the line. Sure it's "not about the money" but do you really think things would be as popular as they are without it? Hell no. I've seen people do steroids and spend a TON of time on steroid related forums, I have yet to see anyone become a pro based on their results, progress or journals that diary their usage.

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Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 306131)
I've always wanted to start a sports league that clearly states there will be drug testing..

Mma would be crazy if they adopted those rules..

UFC supposedly tests already, Sean "Shark" Sherk got busted for higher than average levels or testosterone and was disqualified from a fight.

marko138 12-22-2009 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TYEster (Post 308984)
This is what I don't get. I don't see how it is unfair. Ok so some writing in the rule book makes it unfair, boohoo, well I guess no one really wants their own team to win. Because it's not fair when you're clean and everyone else is on something.

I'm sure almost EVERY pro athlete is on something, or did something to gain any advantage they could. Especially in mainstream sports, there's millions of dollars on the line. Sure it's "not about the money" but do you really think things would be as popular as they are without it? Hell no. I've seen people do steroids and spend a TON of time on steroid related forums, I have yet to see anyone become a pro based on their results, progress or journals that diary their usage.




UFC supposedly tests already, Sean "Shark" Sherk got busted for higher than average levels or testosterone and was disqualified from a fight.
Of course it's "about the money". Its always about the money. I dont work for free. Do you? Hell no, you work for the money. So do atheletes.

Sean 12-22-2009 09:45 AM
I need to get me some steroids, I'm sicka workin out so much :lol:

tommymac 12-22-2009 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 309030)
Of course it's "about the money". Its always about the money. I dont work for free. Do you? Hell no, you work for the money. So do atheletes.
UFC has been under the radar for a long time but now with its new found popularity its only a matter of time before the subject comes up. I dont know what if any testing or regulations they have over the athletes now but you know people will start asking questions sooner or later.

marko138 12-22-2009 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 309046)
UFC has been under the radar for a long time but now with its new found popularity its only a matter of time before the subject comes up. I dont know what if any testing or regulations they have over the athletes now but you know people will start asking questions sooner or later.
All I'm saying is "who cares?" It's entertainment, plain and simple. Juice em up and let the shit fly, son.

Tmall 12-23-2009 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 309046)
UFC has been under the radar for a long time but now with its new found popularity its only a matter of time before the subject comes up. I dont know what if any testing or regulations they have over the athletes now but you know people will start asking questions sooner or later.
They would be a lot bigger/faster if they were juicing.

Don't get me wrong, there are some big guys in UFC. But, there are no freaks. I would think if roids would be involved, you would have one or two very very dominant guys winning everything.

Like this guy who is making a name for himself on the lower circuits.. http://leanhybridmuscle.com/access/w...dzianowski.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SiD8FLURuf...owski-2010.jpg

marko138 12-23-2009 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 309741)
They would be a lot bigger/faster if they were juicing.

Don't get me wrong, there are some big guys in UFC. But, there are no freaks. I would think if roids would be involved, you would have one or two very very dominant guys winning everything.

Like this guy who is making a name for himself on the lower circuits.. http://leanhybridmuscle.com/access/w...dzianowski.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SiD8FLURuf...owski-2010.jpg
Mammoth.

z06boy 12-23-2009 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 309051)
All I'm saying is "who cares?" It's entertainment, plain and simple. Juice em up and let the shit fly, son.
:rofl: :rofl: This made me laugh out loud.

I don't think most do but I do believe that many do.

marko138 12-23-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 309838)
:rofl: :rofl: This made me laugh out loud.

I don't think most do but I do believe that many do.
Like GDub...Mission Accomplished.

Sean 12-23-2009 05:58 PM
There's no way that guy isn't on juice. People don't grow like that naturally no matter how hard they work.

TYEster 12-23-2009 06:35 PM
Lots of MMA guys get busted... You just don't hear about it because they don't want to openly tarnish the image of a growing sport.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...3704&zoneid=13

Sherk getting busted

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...4359&zoneid=13



BTW Marius(the big dude in the pics above) is only fighting in K1/M1 or whatever it's called now because they DONT test. Likewise they don't test in his strongman contests either. Because as stated - no one wants to see the average persons achievements, they want to be entertained by the best of the best.

defector 12-23-2009 07:49 PM
List looks like a bunch of stoners. :whosr:

I do know that Tim Sylvia and Josh Barnett have both been busted for performance enhancers (either roids or HGH)

TYEster 12-23-2009 08:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkkQ...layer_embedded

:lol:

tached1000rr 12-23-2009 09:38 PM
Speaking of juicing, anyone see where Floyd Mayweather's camp wants Olympic style blood/drug testing and Pacquio's camp is reluctant?

z06boy 12-24-2009 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 309898)
Like GDub...Mission Accomplished.
Just to be clear...nothing negative or derogartory was meant...I was talking about this part...it just struck me as funny as he11 !!

"Juice em up and let the shit fly, son."

Quote:
Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 310022)
Speaking of juicing, anyone see where Floyd Mayweather's camp wants Olympic style blood/drug testing and Pacquio's camp is reluctant?
No I hadn't seen that...humm...

marko138 12-24-2009 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 310177)
Just to be clear...nothing negative or derogartory was meant...I was talking about this part...it just struck me as funny as he11 !!

"Juice em up and let the shit fly, son."



No I hadn't seen that...humm...
I know. :dthumb:

z06boy 12-24-2009 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 310181)
I know. :dthumb:
:cheers:


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