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RACER X 03-09-2010 10:38 AM

? dealing w/ this acceleration prob.
 
do the brakes not work, when it's accelerating unintentionally?

shmike 03-09-2010 10:42 AM

Or the key?

Or the transmission?

azoomm 03-09-2010 10:51 AM

No one knows what the little N means.

Seriously. I was at the salon, as a woman proceded to tell me a car with a MANUAL transmission does not have neutral. That, to me, is more scary than a runaway throttle.

pauldun170 03-09-2010 10:51 AM

It would appear to me that the Toyotas in question require the driver mod.

RACER X 03-09-2010 10:57 AM

the news had some guy w/ a prius having had time to call 911, and a CHP unit ran along side and talked him down......???

WTF..........and i have never heard any news mention a remedy like..............apply brakes.

goof2 03-09-2010 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 347657)
do the brakes not work, when it's accelerating unintentionally?

They work for a time. If the driver doesn't press the brake pedal hard they will eventually overheat and stop working though. Of course there is usually the "I was hitting the brakes as hard as I could, but it kept on accelerating" statement which always makes me wonder if the driver was using the right pedal.

MILK 03-09-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by azoomm (Post 347668)
No one knows what the little N means.

Seriously. I was at the salon, as a woman proceded to tell me a car with a MANUAL transmission does not have neutral. That, to me, is more scary than a runaway throttle.

I know!!! :wtfru: These stories are driving me crazy!! Of course people do panic but throw it in Neutral for crying out loud! Screw the engine I want to live!!

Avatard 03-09-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 347675)
Of course there is usually the "I was hitting the brakes as hard as I could, but it kept on accelerating" statement which always makes me wonder if the driver was using the right pedal.

This statement almost always indicates pedal missapplication.

Homeslice 03-09-2010 11:19 AM

It's typical American behavior.......Blame your own incompetence on a bigger entity in order to save face (or win some money).

Don't any of you remember the bullshit Audi acceleration thing? Well it was almost 25 yrs ago so most of you wouldn't.

goof2 03-09-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 347681)
It's typical American behavior.......Blame your own incompetence on a bigger entity in order to save face (or win some money).

Don't any of you remember the bullshit Audi acceleration thing? Well it was almost 25 yrs ago so most of you wouldn't.

I remember it and it was the first thing that came to mind when this Toyota stuff started. Anytime I hear about "unintended acceleration" I think of that which hunt.

Dave 03-09-2010 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 347674)
the news had some guy w/ a prius having had time to call 911, and a CHP unit ran along side and talked him down......???

WTF..........and i have never heard any news mention a remedy like..............apply brakes.

:lol: runaway prius :lmao:

Avatard 03-09-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 347681)
It's typical American behavior.......Blame your own incompetence on a bigger entity in order to save face (or win some money).

Don't any of you remember the bullshit Audi acceleration thing? Well it was almost 25 yrs ago so most of you wouldn't.

I was going to say, amazing how in just a generation we can forget such valuable lessons as those learned in the Audi debacle.

6doublefive321 03-09-2010 12:25 PM

I've driven a Prius / Camry / Corolla / other shit box Toyota. It doesn't take a hell of a lot of brake to slow these anemic cars down. Ridiculous. I wonder how many people are intentionally running their cars through their garage doors to cash in?

BobTheBiker 03-09-2010 12:51 PM

its terrifying how often these people forget to simply use the brake, or that nifty little lever that put it in gear...... or that lovely ignition switch. dumbasses.

tommymac 03-09-2010 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice (Post 347681)
It's typical American behavior.......Blame your own incompetence on a bigger entity in order to save face (or win some money).

Don't any of you remember the bullshit Audi acceleration thing? Well it was almost 25 yrs ago so most of you wouldn't.

I am waiting for the what about protecting the children bit. that usualy works against the big bad corporation too.

Homeslice 03-09-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac (Post 347733)
I am waiting for the what about protecting the children bit. that usualy works against the big bad corporation too.

"Save the children" =

1) someone please do my parenting for me
2) re-elect me, because I'll do everything to protect my constituents!
3) i'm an american man, so i'm too pussy to call a woman out when she suggests some pointless safety law

defector 03-09-2010 01:30 PM

Siver lining for the Toyota PR guys:

A Prius can do 90+ MPH if you have enough highway to allow it to get there.

Eco Friendly Hot Rod! Suck on that Honda Insight! :lol:

Particle Man 03-09-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 347695)
:lol: runaway prius :lmao:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who snickers whenever those 2 words are put together.

Kick the squirrels in the nuts harder to get more speed!!!!!!!!!!!

askmrjesus 03-09-2010 05:20 PM

Attention Speeders:

Want to get away with 90 in a 55?

Buy a Toyota, it's a license to go WFO.

JC

Dave 03-09-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Particle Man (Post 347896)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who snickers whenever those 2 words are put together.

Kick the squirrels in the nuts harder to get more speed!!!!!!!!!!!

85 percent of my fleet is pri'i im well aware of how pathetic they are. :lol:

Krabill 03-09-2010 07:32 PM

All of you "put it in neutral and turn the key off" people realize that the tranny is fly-by-wire and won't go into neutral over 35 mph and there is no key to turn off, right?

Avatard 03-09-2010 07:39 PM

Brakes. Mash them to the floor. They ALWAYS win.

fasternyou929 03-09-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 347901)
85 percent of my fleet is pri'i im well aware of how pathetic they are. :lol:

Pri'i? Seriously, Pri'i?!? You've just done the impossible - taken driving a Prius to a whole new level of pompous. :lol:

Trip 03-09-2010 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 347674)
the news had some guy w/ a prius having had time to call 911, and a CHP unit ran along side and talked him down......???

WTF..........and i have never heard any news mention a remedy like..............apply brakes.

That guy did apply brakes, by the time the police got to him, they were smoked up. They eventually slowed him down by putting their car in front him and got him to turn the engine off.

Dave 03-09-2010 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krabill (Post 347931)
All of you "put it in neutral and turn the key off" people realize that the tranny is fly-by-wire and won't go into neutral over 35 mph and there is no key to turn off, right?

hold the button for ten or so seconds and it shuts down.

Dave 03-09-2010 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 347934)
Pri'i? Seriously, Pri'i?!? You've just done the impossible - taken driving a Prius to a whole new level of pompous. :lol:

how would you plauralise it then? :Lol:

Homeslice 03-09-2010 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip (Post 347935)
That guy did apply brakes, by the time the police got to him, they were smoked up.

Probably because he was too chicken to slam on the brakes and keep them slammed (instead of riding them real lightly for miles, which makes them fade)

Particle Man 03-09-2010 09:39 PM

What about the E brake?

fasternyou929 03-09-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 347937)
how would you plauralise it then? :Lol:

Believe it or not, that's part of the wikipedia entry for the Prius. No bullshit.

pauldun170 03-09-2010 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krabill (Post 347931)
All of you "put it in neutral and turn the key off" people realize that the tranny is fly-by-wire and won't go into neutral over 35 mph and there is no key to turn off, right?

Tap and hold it on neutral

Rangerscott 03-10-2010 01:44 AM

I've had my throttle get suck 3 or more times and I'm still here. A few times was with the old 800 vacuum hosed carb (some hooked up wrong) and once when I added a one of those long springs so I could have more resistance in the pedal.


Fucking GTAIV that bitch and jumped the fuck out.

Dave 03-10-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 347971)
Believe it or not, that's part of the wikipedia entry for the Prius. No bullshit.

off to look it up :lol:

fasternyou929 03-10-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 348104)
off to look it up :lol:

I was posting from my phone and didn't feel like screwing with copy/paste. Someone put a lot of time into this entry (my money's on CrazyKel):

Quote:

Some enthusiasts enjoy using "Prii" as the plural, which would be correct if "prius" were a regular second declension Latin noun. The actual Latin plural of the adjective is "priora" (Reference [95] is slightly in error here). All of these forms are nominative case and there are several other forms for the other cases. As for the plural of "Prius" in English, Toyota has said that it is simply "Prius" and also that owners are welcome to use whatever they like.

Dave 03-10-2010 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 348142)
I was posting from my phone and didn't feel like screwing with copy/paste. Someone put a lot of time into this entry (my money's on CrazyKel):

it was probably the woz. I hear hes quite the prius collector.

RACER X 03-11-2010 08:41 AM

brakes > hp

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...tion-tech_dept

CrazyKell 03-11-2010 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 348142)
I was posting from my phone and didn't feel like screwing with copy/paste. Someone put a lot of time into this entry (my money's on CrazyKel):

How did I get dragged into this?

Dave 03-11-2010 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyKell (Post 348388)
How did I get dragged into this?

he was fappin :lol:

fasternyou929 03-11-2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyKell (Post 348388)
How did I get dragged into this?

Because of your affinity for proper English. That is a pretty lean category to choose from... have you read some of the posts here? :lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 348393)
he was fappin :lol:

Still recovering from surgery, so no fappin' for me!

Anybody have a spare wheelbarrow, by chance?

CrazyKell 03-11-2010 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 348412)
Because of your affinity for proper English. That is a pretty lean category to choose from... have you read some of the posts here? :lol

Fair enough. I'm guilty of it myself, but I've gotten WAY better about not cringing when I read the posts.

I don't really like Wikipedia for that fact though. You never know if that shit's real!

shmike 03-11-2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 348387)


Good article.

Particle Man 03-12-2010 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmike (Post 348451)
Good article.

agreed.

Particularly telling:

Quote:

With the Camry’s throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet—that’s a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry’s throttle closed
as was this:

Quote:

Neither the Camry’s nor the Infiniti’s automatic transmission showed any hesitancy to shift into neutral or park when accelerating at full tilt.
and this:
Quote:

new wrinkle here: the keyless, push-button start-and-stop systems in many vehicles. Owners need to be aware that these systems require a long press of the button to shut off power when the car is moving (so that an inadvertent touch of the button by the driver doesn’t kill the engine).
- in other words, if you don't know how to use it, don't freakin' DRIVE it.

:wtfru:

Avatard 03-12-2010 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmike (Post 348451)
Good article.

Yeah, but I didn't need Car and Driver to tell me that. Anyone who's ever played much with cars knows that the brakes will overcome ANY motor.

shmike 03-12-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avatard (Post 348850)
Yeah, but I didn't need Car and Driver to tell me that. Anyone who's ever played much with cars knows that the brakes will overcome ANY motor.

I didn't need the article to tell me the obvious but it is nice to see it in print.

It also gives us a convenient place to point any naysayers.

Your last statement begs for a rebuttal but why ruin us agreeing with facts? :lol:

goof2 07-14-2010 12:25 PM

After practically nonstop coverage for weeks about how Toyotas were death traps with the controllability of a wild horse this story pretty much died months ago. This was also after the coverage forced Toyota to spend billions on a recall. Now the DOT has preliminary results from examining a sampling of crash data recordings recovered from cars involved in accidents the drivers insist were the result of sudden uncontrollable acceleration. Can anyone guess what that examination found?:td:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...cfm=BadDrivers

The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed on sudden acceleration and found that the throttles were wide open and the brakes weren't engaged at the time of the crash, people familiar with the findings said.

The early results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyotas and Lexuses surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator when they intended to jam on the brakes.

But the findings—part of a broad, ongoing federal investigation into Toyota's recalls—don't exonerate the car maker from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration in its vehicles: "sticky" accelerator pedals that don't return to idle and floor mats that can trap accelerators to the floor.

The findings by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration involve a sample of the reports in which a driver of a Toyota vehicle said the brakes were depressed but failed to stop the car from accelerating and ultimately crashing.

A NHTSA spokeswoman declined to comment on the findings, which haven't been released by the agency.

The data recorders analyzed by NHTSA were selected by the agency, not Toyota, based on complaints the drivers had filed with the government. Toyota hasn't been involved in interpreting the data.

The initial findings are consistent with a 1989 government-sponsored study that blamed similar driver mistakes for a rash of sudden-acceleration reports involving Audi 5000 sedans.

The Toyota findings appear to support Toyota's position that sudden-acceleration reports involving its vehicles weren't caused by electronic glitches in computer-controlled throttle systems, as some safety advocates and plaintiffs' attorneys have alleged. More than 100 people have sued the car maker over crashes they claim were the result of faulty electronics.

It is unknown how many data recorders NHTSA has read so far. The agency's investigators have been reading the data only since Toyota provided the agency with 10 reading devices in March.

Since then, investigators have responded to accidents involving sudden acceleration when the driver claims to have been stepping on the brakes.

Because the data recorders can lose their information if disconnected from the car's battery or if the battery dies—as could happen after a crash—the agency is focusing only on recent accidents, said a person familiar with the situation.

NHTSA has received more than 3,000 complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyotas and Lexuses, including some dating to early last decade, according to a report the agency compiled in March. The incidents include 75 fatal crashes involving 93 deaths.

However, NHTSA has been able to verify that only one of those fatal crashes was caused by a problem with the vehicle, according to information the agency provided to the National Academy of Sciences. That accident last Aug. 28, which killed a California highway patrolman and three passengers in a Lexus, was traced to a floor mat that trapped the gas pedal in the depressed position.

Toyota has since recalled more than eight million cars globally to fix floor mats and sticky accelerators.

The NHTSA spokeswoman said the agency wouldn't comment on its Toyota probe until a broader study is completed in conjunction with NASA, which is expected to take months.

Daniel Smith, NHTSA's associate administrator for enforcement, told a panel of the National Academy of Sciences last month that the agency's sudden-acceleration probe had yet to find any car defects beyond those identified by the company: pedals entrapped by floor mats, and accelerator pedals that are slow to return to idle.

"In spite of our investigations, we have not actually been able yet to find a defect" in electronic throttle-control systems, Mr. Smith told the scientific panel, which is looking into potential causes of sudden acceleration.

"We're bound and determined that if it exists, we're going to find it," he added. "But as yet, we haven't found it."

Some Toyota officials say they are informally aware of the NHTSA data-recorder results. Toyota officials haven't been briefed on the findings, but they corroborate its own tests, said Mike Michels, the chief spokesman for Toyota Motor Sales.

Toyota says its own downloads of data recorders have found evidence of sticky pedals and pedal entrapment as well as driver error, which is characterized by no evidence of the brakes being depressed during impact.

Still, since the start of Toyota's troubles late last summer, the Japanese company hasn't blamed drivers for any of the sudden-acceleration incidents, though in many cases the company couldn't find another cause. Toyota President Akio Toyoda has said the company won't pin the blame on customers for its problems as part of its public-relations response.

An attorney who represents four drivers who sued Toyota in state courts over sudden acceleration said the NHTSA finding doesn't mean much for his litigation. "Toyota has always taken the position that the electronic data recorder system is not reliable," said Tab Turner, the Little Rock, Ark., lawyer.

A Toyota spokesman said the company considers the device "a prototype tool. It wasn't designed to tell us exactly what happened in an accident. It was designed to tell us whether our systems were operating properly."

One case studied by U.S. regulators involves Myrna Marseille of Kohler, Wis., who reported in March that her 2009 Toyota Camry accelerated out of control and crashed into a building.

Ms. Marseille said in an interview Tuesday that she was entering a parking space near a library when she heard the engine roar. "I looked down and my foot was still on the brake, so I did not have my foot on the gas pedal," she said.

Police in Sheboygan Falls, Wis., investigated and believe driver error was to blame, Chief Steven Riffel said Tuesday. He said surveillance video showed that the brake lights didn't illuminate until after the crash. But Mr. Riffel said that determination is preliminary and that his agency has turned over the investigation to NHTSA.

Based on the black box data, NHTSA investigators found that the brake was not engaged and the throttle was wide open, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Ms. Marseille sticks by her story. "It makes me very angry when someone tells me, 'She probably hit the gas pedal instead,' because I think it's a sexist comment, an ageist comment," she said.

—Josh Mitchell contributed
to this article.

Homeslice 07-14-2010 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 392939)
Ms. Marseille sticks by her story. "It makes me very angry when someone tells me, 'She probably hit the gas pedal instead,' because I think it's a sexist comment, an ageist comment," she said.
.

No, it's a comment about being clueless. Quit pulling the gender card.

Rangerscott 07-14-2010 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 347657)
do the brakes not work, when it's accelerating unintentionally?

People's brains don't work.

Porkchop 07-14-2010 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangerscott (Post 393125)
People's brains don't work.

I swear to fucking god. Everytime I see something about this on tv I scream.... ITS CALLED NEUTRAL IDIOTS. :bash:

101lifts2 07-15-2010 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 392939)
....Ms. Marseille sticks by her story. "It makes me very angry when someone tells me, 'She probably hit the gas pedal instead,' because I think it's a sexist comment, an ageist comment," she said.

—Josh Mitchell contributed
to this article.

Dear Ms. Marseille you fail at the bullshitting. When the data shows you were at 95% throttle with the brake switches indicating applied from the Stop Lamp Switch and the Cruise Release Brake switch at the time of impact it is obvious (unless God intervined, which doesn't seem likely due that that whole free will thing) what you were doing. That being not on the brakes with your foot on the gas.

Stupid cunt.

goof2 07-15-2010 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 393488)
Dear Ms. Marseille you fail at the bullshitting. When the data shows you were at 95% throttle with the brake switches indicating applied from the Stop Lamp Switch and the Cruise Release Brake switch at the time of impact it is obvious (unless God intervented, which doesn't seem likely due that that whole free will thing) what you were doing. That being not on the brakes with your foot on the gas.

Stupid cunt.

Add in that the cop saying that video surveillance showed her brake lights didn't come on until after the building jumped in front of her and it really doesn't look promising for Ms. Marseille. Too bad she will probably end up getting a settlement from Toyota anyway since going to court with their current reputation (thanks media:td:) probably wouldn't be any more promising for Toyota.

MILK 07-15-2010 10:45 PM

My Camry accelerates every single time my foot pushes the gas pedal!! :)

101lifts2 07-15-2010 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2 (Post 393496)
Add in that the cop saying that video surveillance showed her brake lights didn't come on until after the building jumped in front of her and it really doesn't look promising for Ms. Marseille. Too bad she will probably end up getting a settlement from Toyota anyway since going to court with their current reputation (thanks media:td:) probably wouldn't be any more promising for Toyota.

Toyota should fight it. It gives a bad imagine if they pay IMO. They have to quit pandering to the non-enthusiasts who purchase their vehicles.

Rangerscott 07-16-2010 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MILK (Post 393505)
My Camry accelerates every single time my foot pushes the gas pedal!! :)

Technically its the air pedal. It's powered by an exploding air compressor.

goof2 07-16-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 393526)
Toyota should fight it. It gives a bad imagine if they pay IMO. They have to quit pandering to the non-enthusiasts who purchase their vehicles.

They get a bad image if they end up with a large judgment against them too, it just costs more money.

Smittie61984 07-19-2010 12:26 AM

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The NHTSA spokeswoman said the agency wouldn't comment on its Toyota probe until a broader study is completed in conjunction with NASA, which is expected to take months
I'm waiting for this. When it comes to finding invisible space monkeys, NASA is the best.


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