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Trip 04-20-2009 04:49 PM

rebirth of a fiddy
 
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/...23efaf35a4.jpg

The goodies have been assembled, now I just need to make time to crack open the case. This will be my first major engine overhaul.

njchopper87 04-20-2009 07:08 PM

Post a lot of pics. Otherwise I won't understand wtf is going on.

Trip 04-20-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njchopper87 (Post 199999)
Post a lot of pics. Otherwise I won't understand wtf is going on.

I am going to take pics like mad. Basically I blew my fiddy motor up before the last race and I have never rebuilt a motor. I am going to attempt to rebuild the fiddy motor because it's a very small motor and suppose to be really easy to work on, plus it's a cheap motor to learn on.

JARVIS518 04-20-2009 09:22 PM

how did u get parts i thought they were all banned for fiftys?

Trip 04-20-2009 09:27 PM

I think there is a stay on the ban til they get it sorted

dReWpY 04-20-2009 09:30 PM

is hellbilly helping you?

Trip 04-20-2009 09:32 PM

Nah my dad is going to

Rider 04-21-2009 08:35 AM

It should be easy enough. There isn't much to single cylinder engines. GL with the rebuild.

Trip 08-01-2009 04:14 PM

Well I finally decided to start in on this thing.

So I stripped the bike a month or two ago in preparation

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6509.jpg

I had a nice surprise waiting for me in the exhaust, I wonder where all that metal came from (Anyone know how to clean an exhaust pipe so I can reuse it?)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6510.jpg

So I started in on the engine, hello there mr. inner rotor. I have no idea how to install you properly for timing when I get you off.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6507.jpg

Hmmm, whats down this hole, looks like more metal

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6511.jpg

Wow, mr spark plug doesn't look so happy

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6513.jpg

Started pulling more stuff off

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6514.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6515.jpg

Let's remove the head cap, why hello there mr melted engine pieces

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6516.jpg

Then I removed the head and cylinder and found mr piston not doing so well on the compression part of the job.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0/IMG_6519.jpg

That's all I got so far, probably will start getting into the case tomorrow.

Amber Lamps 08-01-2009 04:33 PM

*Ring....ring* "Good Morning, Joe's small engine repair, how can I help you?"

"Hi my name is Nick and I grenaded my pit bike's 50cc motor. I thought that I could fix it myself but $400 and 123 hours later..."

"No problem sir, just box it up and bring all the pieces in, we get this all the time!"

:lol:

Avatard 08-01-2009 04:43 PM

Well, I can't tell from the stack of boxes what you have and don't have for it yet, but I can tell ya from the pics you're gonna need a piston/cylinder, new head, and bottom end bearings (if not a crank too), bare minimum.

Good luck, that thing is pretty fucking lunched.

Avatard 08-01-2009 04:44 PM

...Come to think of it, the top of that rod looks pretty knackered too. Might clean up...

Rangerscott 08-01-2009 05:14 PM

I'll take the exhaust if you let it go for shipping.


If funny how after 30 years these engines have barely changed.

Trip 08-01-2009 05:28 PM

I am keeping the exhaust. Just got to clean it up. Definitely not giving away a FMF pipe for free.

I have a new racehead, cam for the head, new racehead cylinder, crankshaft with bearings and the rod, piston, carb, jets, high flow oil pump, air filter, spark plug, 4 speed transmission, and other parts I can't think of. Only thing I am reusing is the case, some of the bottom end stuff, and the manual clutch kit.

The entire top end is getting replaced that's for sure. I am changing it from a 3 up to a 1 down/3 up. Can't wait to see how the 4th gear will work out.

Mr Lefty 08-01-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip (Post 249870)
I am keeping the exhaust. Just got to clean it up. Definitely not giving away a FMF pipe for free.

I have a new racehead, cam for the head, new racehead cylinder, crankshaft with bearings and the rod, piston, carb, jets, high flow oil pump, air filter, spark plug, 4 speed transmission, and other parts I can't think of. Only thing I am reusing is the case, some of the bottom end stuff, and the manual clutch kit.

The entire top end is getting replaced that's for sure. I am changing it from a 3 up to a 1 down/3 up. Can't wait to see how the 4th gear will work out.

probably by not grenading your motor from doing laps at the gap.

hey can you fit the 50 on your GS? :lol: just strap it on ride up... take the 50 for a spin... then load it back on the GS and head home! LOL

Trip 08-01-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eBBs15 (Post 249871)
hey can you fit the 50 on your GS? :lol: just strap it on ride up... take the 50 for a spin... then load it back on the GS and head home! LOL

I think I probably could if I took of the passenger seat and secured it to the top box.

Avatard 08-01-2009 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangerscott (Post 249869)
funny how after 30 years these engines have barely changed.

Well, the Chinese have knocked this Honda 50 motor off more than anything else out there, so it's become the standard powerplant for so many cheap Chinese bikes...it's become rather ubiquitous at this point...and while the basic design is unchanged, there is so much shit you can buy to hop them up, aftermarket.

If I'm not mistaken, this motor has been popped out as far as 125cc, in some applications.

Trip 08-01-2009 06:46 PM

Bigger 138s I have ridden.

I think there is even a 140 something kit

was92v 08-01-2009 08:27 PM

For sure, when you blow one up, you don't hold back!

karl_1052 08-01-2009 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avatard (Post 249876)
Well, the Chinese have knocked this Honda 50 motor off more than anything else out there, so it's become the standard powerplant for so many cheap Chinese bikes...it's become rather ubiquitous at this point...and while the basic design is unchanged, there is so much shit you can buy to hop them up, aftermarket.

If I'm not mistaken, this motor has been popped out as far as 125cc, in some applications.

I once added up all the mods you can do to a fiddy, and it came out to over $12K

Avatard 08-01-2009 08:56 PM

I'd love to have built it, just for giggles. Magazine project, or something (ie: someone else's nickel)...

Trip 08-01-2009 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karl_1052 (Post 249909)
I once added up all the mods you can do to a fiddy, and it came out to over $12K

Hell, it's probably a shitload different now. The best forks are like $1500.

You can pretty much build a fiddy from after market parts alone and just buy the engine case as the only honda part.

defector 08-04-2009 08:10 PM

I have one with an 88 kit. (Cheater kit, the cylinder still says 49cc). :whatwhat:
Still has the semi auto 3 speed tranny, and it runs pretty well. Although a 117 kit and a 4 or 5 speed manual would be awesome...

Trip 08-04-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defector (Post 251006)
I have one with an 88 kit. (Cheater kit, the cylinder still says 49cc). :whatwhat:
Still has the semi auto 3 speed tranny, and it runs pretty well. Although a 117 kit and a 4 or 5 speed manual would be awesome...

Hell just a 108 is freakin bad ass. I can't go beyond 88 or I get knocked out of the division I race in and have to compete against some pretty hoped up china bikes and would have to invest a ton into my bike to out run them. The 88 kit is much more competitive and fun, so I am going to stick to that group.

defector 08-04-2009 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip (Post 251053)
Hell just a 108 is freakin bad ass. I can't go beyond 88 or I get knocked out of the division I race in and have to compete against some pretty hoped up china bikes and would have to invest a ton into my bike to out run them. The 88 kit is much more competitive and fun, so I am going to stick to that group.

The rules we are under now are pretty lax. Lax as in wheel size (2 flavors, 10 or 12 inch), and max displacement (160cc for 4 strokers, and 65cc for 2 smokers).

Trip 08-05-2009 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defector (Post 251121)
The rules we are under now are pretty lax. Lax as in wheel size (2 flavors, 10 or 12 inch), and max displacement (160cc for 4 strokers, and 65cc for 2 smokers).

12 inch aren't allowed in the 88cc class. It's too much of an advantage. They are allowed in the do what you want class. The 88cc class is the cost efficient class too. Doesn't take much to get them to 88cc and be competitive against anyone.

defector 08-05-2009 02:51 PM

TB racehead? Or did you get a Tak super +R?

Trip 08-05-2009 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defector (Post 251319)
TB racehead? Or did you get a Tak super +R?

TB racehead. I know someone that has TB connections, so I can usually get some awesome deals from time to time.


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