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RACER X 04-28-2009 08:04 AM

Leno recieves '09 GSXR1000
 
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American Suzuki Motor Corp. (ASMC) announced today that the company presented "Tonight Show" host and long-time motorcycle enthusiast Jay Leno with one of the first 2009 Suzuki GSX-R1000 models off the production line. The presentation was held on Friday, April 10, 2009, at Leno's famed Big Dog Garage in Burbank, Calif.

According to ASMC, the presentation is intended as a "thank you" to Leno, for his years of supporting the motorcycle industry and for bringing mainstream awareness to the motorcycle industry.

"Wow, what can I say to a new Suzuki but ‘thanks,' " said Leno, who is retiring from the "Tonight Show" this year. "Not only will this bike make a great addition to my already extensive Suzuki motorcycle collection, it'll give me something to do with the free time I'm about to have on my hands. I've been a motorcycle enthusiast for years and I really appreciate Suzuki's sentiment in presenting me with this motorcycle."

The Suzuki GSX-R1000 is the flagship sportbike for ASMC. For 2009, the Suzuki GSX-R1000 was completely redesigned for ‘09. The new model boasts a brand-new frame, powerful and compact engine, and more aggressive and aerodynamic bodywork. The Suzuki GSX-R1000 has won the last six AMA Superbike Championships, it won every AMA Superbike race in 2008 and it's won the last 51 consecutive AMA Superbike races. The Suzuki GSX-R1000 truly does own the racetrack.

marko138 04-28-2009 08:10 AM

Leno is such a piece of garbage.

z06boy 04-28-2009 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 204094)

The Suzuki GSX-R1000 truly does own the racetrack.


Unless it's MotoGP or WSBK. :idk:

It is a nice bike and I want Leno's garage...baaad.

Dave 04-28-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 204201)
Unless it's MotoGP or WSBK. :idk:

It is a nice bike and I want Leno's garage...baaad.

or bsb.

Trip 04-28-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 204201)
Unless it's MotoGP or WSBK. :idk:

It is a nice bike and I want Leno's garage...baaad.

I wonder how spies would do with his AMA team in WSBK. It would be interesting to see. I wonder how different the rules were last year before AMA fucked everything up between AMA and WSBK. Anyone know?

Amber Lamps 04-28-2009 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 204201)
Unless it's MotoGP or WSBK. :idk:

It is a nice bike and I want Leno's garage...baaad.


Hey now, in the last 10 years Suzuki has won the most championships of any "inline four" bike in BSB or WSBK by far! I can't help it that they keep changing the rules to favor Ducati.:whistle:

z06boy 04-28-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip (Post 204307)
I wonder how spies would do with his AMA team in WSBK. It would be interesting to see. I wonder how different the rules were last year before AMA fucked everything up between AMA and WSBK. Anyone know?

Good questions. Yeah it makes me also wonder how Mlladin would do in WSBK having seen Spies do so well.

z06boy 04-28-2009 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 204402)
Hey now, in the last 10 years Suzuki has won the most championships of any "inline four" bike in BSB or WSBK by far! I can't help it that they keep changing the rules to favor Ducati.:whistle:

What have you/they done for me lately ? :lol: They "ain't" ruling right now...that's all I'm saying. :idk:

RACER X 04-28-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 204099)
Leno is such a piece of garbage.

why so?

i think he's pretty cool, a serious motorhead w/ $

Dave 04-28-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 204409)
Good questions. Yeah it makes me also wonder how Mlladin would do in WSBK having seen Spies do so well.

iirc he hasnt had a whole lot of success elsewhere though i think he had a good showing as a wsbk wildcard a few years ago

z06boy 04-28-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 204415)
why so?

i think he's pretty cool, a serious motorhead w/ $

Yeah I always thought he was pretty cool too but I don't really know him or watch his show regularly but man I love his garage. :rockout:

z06boy 04-28-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 204422)
iirc he hasnt had a whole lot of success elsewhere though i think he had a good showing as a wsbk wildcard a few years ago

AMA is rigged for Suzuki. :lol::scared:

nhgunnut 04-28-2009 01:28 PM

Jay Leno is a self described guy with more money than brains. He is my role model

marko138 04-28-2009 01:47 PM

He's a hack job. His show sucks. Period.

Particle Man 04-28-2009 03:26 PM

I don't mind him, I think he's pretty funny.

Sweet addition to an already amazing garage.

RACER X 04-28-2009 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 204463)
He's a hack job. His show sucks. Period.

well he might be, and he's as funny as his writers, right? but there are alot bigger hacks out there who aren't nearly as car/bike crazy as he is.........

i believe he is a true fan of all things automotive, and he does thes things cuz he loves car/bikes vs getting him attention.

i'm sure most of us would LUV to be in his shoes.........more $ then brains.

i know i would.

Particle Man 04-28-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 204537)
i'm sure most of us would LUV to be in his shoes.........more $ then brains.

i know i would.

well.....








redflip

Rider 04-28-2009 04:03 PM

Nice looking bike but that exhaust is frightening.

Amber Lamps 04-28-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 204424)
AMA is rigged for Suzuki. :lol::scared:

Yea... ever heard of Buell? They are running a liquid cooled, 1125 cc bike in the 600 cc class. Aprillia is running a 1000 cc bike in the class. I almost feel sorry for Ducati having to run a measly 850 in the 600 cc class. Not to mention that Ducati is running last year's WSBK championship winning bike (at 1200 cc, no less) in the super bike class. Oh yea, the AMA is sooooo pro Suzuki it's frightening!:lol:

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Originally Posted by Rider (Post 204571)
Nice looking bike but that exhaust is frightening.


Yea they'd find that piece in the parking lot after I left.

fasternyou929 04-28-2009 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACER X (Post 204537)
i'm sure most of us would LUV to be in his shoes.........more $ then brains.

i know i would.

Pick up a penny.

Amber Lamps 04-28-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 204596)
Pick up a penny.


Aw SNAP, Dawg! :zowned:

Dave 04-28-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 204583)
Yea... ever heard of Buell? They are running a liquid cooled, 1125 cc bike in the 600 cc class. Aprillia is running a 1000 cc bike in the class. I almost feel sorry for Ducati having to run a measly 850 in the 600 cc class. Not to mention that Ducati is running last year's WSBK championship winning bike (at 1200 cc, no less) in the super bike class. Oh yea, the AMA is sooooo pro Suzuki it's frightening!:lol:




Yea they'd find that piece in the parking lot after I left.

yeah i did multiple takes when i read that the 1125 races in the 600 class. kinda shitty that the old rsv is in there too but that makes a bit more sense considering its age.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 204596)
Pick up a penny.

fuckers are tax free! you'd be stupid not to






































nobody tell obama i said that ;)

tached1000rr 04-28-2009 07:58 PM

Here's my beef, Jay Leno can afford to buy his bike, Suzuki should review their records for that loyal repeat buying "average guy" and give him a damn bike.

Life is not fair, I accepted that a long time ago, but Michael Jordan walks into a restaurant and his meal is on the house, same for a movie, and some ballgame. When do stars/icons actually have to spend their own money?:idk:

Gas Man 04-28-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhgunnut (Post 204444)
Jay Leno is a self described guy with more money than brains. He is my role model

Exactly!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 204463)
He's a hack job. His show sucks. Period.

Jealous!!!

Smittie61984 04-28-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929 (Post 204596)
Pick up a penny.

Damn. That was cold!!!

Leno on a GSXR? He probably uses it for wiping his ass. Who gives a shit about a fucking Gixxer, Sibber, Yizfer, or Zixxer when you have a Desmosedici...er and a Y2k kicking around in your (extremely large) garage?

tached1000rr 04-28-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittie61984 (Post 204725)
Damn. That was cold!!!

Leno on a GSXR? He probably uses it for wiping his ass. Who gives a shit about a fucking Gixxer, Sibber, Yizfer, or Zixxer when you have a Desmosedici...er and a Y2k kicking around in your (extremely large) garage?

He can use it to run to his mailbox and back each day

Rangerscott 04-28-2009 09:57 PM

I wonder what the most miles he's driven/riden on one of his vehicles and bikes.

Dave 04-29-2009 04:13 AM

anyone who does burnouts in johnny carson's parking spot is ok in my book

Mr Lefty 04-29-2009 07:42 AM

Leno is the man... period...

Marko is just salty... PERIOD

RACER X 04-29-2009 07:47 AM

seen another show where leno pulled up in a Can Am spyder

marko138 04-29-2009 07:51 AM

Leno is jabrone.

z06boy 04-29-2009 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 204583)
Yea... ever heard of Buell? They are running a liquid cooled, 1125 cc bike in the 600 cc class. Aprillia is running a 1000 cc bike in the class. I almost feel sorry for Ducati having to run a measly 850 in the 600 cc class. Not to mention that Ducati is running last year's WSBK championship winning bike (at 1200 cc, no less) in the super bike class. Oh yea, the AMA is sooooo pro Suzuki it's frightening!:lol:




Yea they'd find that piece in the parking lot after I left.

Well first of all I was joking...sorry if you didn't catch the sarcasm and I guess I should have said AMA Superbike instead of just AMA.

Speaking of AMA Superbike...humm...must be rigged...Suzuki has won how many in a row ? :idk: *sarcasm* :dt:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider (Post 204571)
Nice looking bike but that exhaust is frightening.

Yes it is.

wildchild 04-29-2009 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 204671)
Here's my beef, Jay Leno can afford to buy his bike, Suzuki should review their records for that loyal repeat buying "average guy" and give him a damn bike.

Life is not fair, I accepted that a long time ago, but Michael Jordan walks into a restaurant and his meal is on the house, same for a movie, and some ballgame. When do stars/icons actually have to spend their own money?:idk:

agreed life is not fair, they get their freebies because having them use your product or business sells to thousands of star struck wannabes.
it is some of the cheapest and most effective advertising a business can get. how many thousands of posers will now be going out to buy a new gsxr1000? they don't need to give you a bike you'll pay for one willingly.

I think it's cool that he's into cars/bikes. Like it or not it's nice to have a "star" on our side when they all stand up and start preaching the greener life style with no motors and what not.

z06boy 04-29-2009 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eBBs15 (Post 204836)
Marko is just salty... PERIOD


Well this is probably true. :lol:

Leno is pretty cool.

Apoc 04-29-2009 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangerscott (Post 204749)
I wonder what the most miles he's driven/riden on one of his vehicles and bikes.

Im guessing quite a bit. I once heard him talk about how he drives/rides everything he owns. I have a lot of respect for him for that. I realize some of them dont get used a ton, but at least he REALLY enjoys his vehicles. Nothing i hate more than collectors who have museums in their garages.

I think he's a pretty cool guy. I'd go for a ride with him.

Rsv1000R 04-29-2009 12:09 PM

Regarding AMA superbike, The rules use to be 750I4's vs 1000V2's, as you can make more power with 4 cylinders rather than 2. I think the best thing DMG/AMA did was make plans to adopt FIM superbike rules. Now I think they switched the rules in a rather poor fashion, But the new rules should get much better manufacturer support because they only have to worry about constructing one version of their race bike, not two.

Fleck750 04-29-2009 12:18 PM

I'm hoping Leno will turn his garage into a museum one day.

Amber Lamps 04-29-2009 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 205081)
Regarding AMA superbike, The rules use to be 750I4's vs 1000V2's, as you can make more power with 4 cylinders rather than 2. I think the best thing DMG/AMA did was make plans to adopt FIM superbike rules. Now I think they switched the rules in a rather poor fashion, But the new rules should get much better manufacturer support because they only have to worry about constructing one version of their race bike, not two.


See but here's my problem with that. If your engine configuration sucks then don't expect the sanctioning body to change the rules to accommodate you. Maybe Buell, Ducati, Aprillia, etc should take a page out of BMW's playbook. All I ever hear from V-twin lovers is how much "better" that engine configuration is (V-Twin FTMFGDW,right Cutty,Marko) , well prove it straight up. I mean how proud can Buell owners be that the only way they could compete was if the rules were tailored to benefit them? The most embarrassing thing right now is that they STILL aren't totally running away with the races. You mentioned the "good ol' days" when it was 750 I4 vs 1000 V2, well you should be loving 600 I4 vs 1125 V2!

z06boy 04-29-2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 205099)
See but here's my problem with that. If your engine configuration sucks then don't expect the sanctioning body to change the rules to accommodate you. Maybe Buell, Ducati, Aprillia, etc should take a page out of BMW's playbook. All I ever hear from V-twin lovers is how much "better" that engine configuration is (V-Twin FTMFGDW,right Cutty,Marko) , well prove it straight up. I mean how proud can Buell owners be that the only way they could compete was if the rules were tailored to benefit them? The most embarrassing thing right now is that they STILL aren't totally running away with the races. You mentioned the "good ol' days" when it was 750 I4 vs 1000 V2, well you should be loving 600 I4 vs 1125 V2!

:lol: Grabbing the popcorn and pulling up a chair.

Particle Man 04-29-2009 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleck750 (Post 205092)
I'm hoping Leno will turn his garage into a museum one day.

A second Barber...

Trip 04-29-2009 01:20 PM

Leno will be in knoxville this weekend if any of you want to find him.

marko138 04-29-2009 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleck750 (Post 205092)
I'm hoping Leno will turn his garage into a museum one day.

I'm hoping Leno will stop taking dongs in his butt one day.

Rsv1000R 04-29-2009 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 205099)
See but here's my problem with that. If your engine configuration sucks then don't expect the sanctioning body to change the rules to accommodate you. Maybe Buell, Ducati, Aprillia, etc should take a page out of BMW's playbook. All I ever hear from V-twin lovers is how much "better" that engine configuration is (V-Twin FTMFGDW,right Cutty,Marko) , well prove it straight up. I mean how proud can Buell owners be that the only way they could compete was if the rules were tailored to benefit them? The most embarrassing thing right now is that they STILL aren't totally running away with the races. You mentioned the "good ol' days" when it was 750 I4 vs 1000 V2, well you should be loving 600 I4 vs 1125 V2!

Well, it isn't straight up equal. You can't get as much valve area in 2 cylinders as you can with 4 at equal displacement. Because of this and the power pulses coming half as frequently as an I4, it feels different, this is what people like from twins. BTW opposed twins have additional issues compared to V-twins.

Now you can write the rules to favor I4's which will reduce the number of other configurations racing, or you can handy cap differences to make for a more diverse field.

Amber Lamps 04-29-2009 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 205263)
Well, it isn't straight up equal. You can't get as much valve area in 2 cylinders as you can with 4 at equal displacement. Because of this and the power pulses coming half as frequently as an I4, it feels different, this is what people like from twins. BTW opposed twins have additional issues compared to V-twins.

Now you can write the rules to favor I4's which will reduce the number of other configurations racing, or you can handy cap differences to make for a more diverse field.


Hey I don't want them to write the rules to favor anything. If the I4 is a better engine package then Buell,Ducati, etc needs to walk away from V2 motor if they want to compete. I mean you are basicly saying that the I4 is a better configuration for racing so why should companies that choose to use a weaker design get an almost DOUBLE cc advantage? You don't see the FIM allowing Ducati to field a 1600 in MotoGp. If Suzuki/Honda were smart, they'd quick develop an 1100 cc V2 motor and drop it in their liter bike chassis and wipe the floor with that Buell.

Rsv1000R 04-29-2009 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 205292)
Hey I don't want them to write the rules to favor anything. If the I4 is a better engine package then Buell,Ducati, etc needs to walk away from V2 motor if they want to compete. I mean you are basicly saying that the I4 is a better configuration for racing so why should companies that choose to use a weaker design get an almost DOUBLE cc advantage? You don't see the FIM allowing Ducati to field a 1600 in MotoGp. If Suzuki/Honda were smart, they'd quick develop an 1100 cc V2 motor and drop it in their liter bike chassis and wipe the floor with that Buell.

I'm not saying that an 1125 should be in a 600 class, just that a liter twin has different potential than a liter I4.

As for FIM they allow Ducati about 1200 cc vs the 1000 I4 in WSBK, and with MotoGP, you haven't read the rules very closely have you? The FIM has a weight penality based on the number of cylinders, a performance based handycap.

And the reason they have these rules in the first place, is that with more cylinders you can make more hp for a given displacement. A 6 will make more power than a 4, 8 more than 6, 12 more than 8. And you can see the same progression, and then rules to limit performance in F1.

Amber Lamps 04-29-2009 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 205302)
I'm not saying that an 1125 should be in a 600 class, just that a liter twin has different potential than a liter I4.

As for FIM they allow Ducati about 1200 cc vs the 1000 I4 in WSBK, and with MotoGP, you haven't read the rules very closely have you? The FIM has a weight penality based on the number of cylinders, a performance based handycap.

And the reason they have these rules in the first place, is that with more cylinders you can make more hp for a given displacement. A 6 will make more power than a 4, 8 more than 6, 12 more than 8. And you can see the same progression, and then rules to limit performance in F1.


That's true and I considered an edit. Regardless, it's not a DOUBLE penalty. Besides, everyone should race with the best engine package technologically available. If it is an I4 great but if it isn't then change your package, don't change the rules to suit your 100+ year old engine set up. As far as limiting performance, I totally understand that and they can do that but let's not penalize the teams that are smart enough to arrange those cylinders in a way that makes the most power. For example, if the cylinder number limit is 8, an advantage shouldn't be given teams that CHOOSE to build an engine with those cylinders in a line, or radial, or a v, or boxer style, etc. Hey do your testing and run what you brung!

Dave 04-29-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 205099)
See but here's my problem with that. If your engine configuration sucks then don't expect the sanctioning body to change the rules to accommodate you. Maybe Buell, Ducati, Aprillia, etc should take a page out of BMW's playbook. All I ever hear from V-twin lovers is how much "better" that engine configuration is (V-Twin FTMFGDW,right Cutty,Marko) , well prove it straight up. I mean how proud can Buell owners be that the only way they could compete was if the rules were tailored to benefit them? The most embarrassing thing right now is that they STILL aren't totally running away with the races. You mentioned the "good ol' days" when it was 750 I4 vs 1000 V2, well you should be loving 600 I4 vs 1125 V2!

aprilia is a good example of a company that will experiment with configurations to suit the bike's chassis. strictly sticking to four strokes here but the milles and derivatives were twins (which at the time were the dominant layout for that series) the RS3 was an over the top triple on roids', and the new bikes are narrow angle V4. im kinda babbling here but they dont belong on your list.

Amber Lamps 04-29-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 205374)
aprilia is a good example of a company that will experiment with configurations to suit the bike's chassis. strictly sticking to four strokes here but the milles and derivatives were twins (which at the time were the dominant layout for that series) the RS3 was an over the top triple on roids', and the new bikes are narrow angle V4. im kinda babbling here but they dont belong on your list.

They are racing a V2 1000 cc bike against 600 cc I4s so yes, they do belong on this list for now anyway. I hear what you are saying and I agree that Aprillia is better than Buell or Ducati in that respect. I still give the most props to BMW. They are a huge corporation and I believe were a sponsor at one time. They probably could have managed to muscle their way in with a 1200+ cc boxer engined bike if they had wanted to but they chose to build a bike that would be competitive without having a 40+% cc advantage written into the rulebook.

Dave 04-29-2009 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 205379)
They are racing a V2 1000 cc bike against 600 cc I4s so yes, they do belong on this list for now anyway. I hear what you are saying and I agree that Aprillia is better than Buell or Ducati in that respect. I still give the most props to BMW. They are a huge corporation and I believe were a sponsor at one time. They probably could have managed to muscle their way in with a 1200+ cc boxer engined bike if they had wanted to but they chose to build a bike that would be competitive without having a 40+% cc advantage written into the rulebook.

aprilia's ama effort is a stopgap measure, racing what they have now in what classes it slots into. they've already stated that they're switching to rsv4s next year. which definately wont be up against 600s :rockwoot:

Amber Lamps 04-29-2009 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 205539)
aprilia's ama effort is a stopgap measure, racing what they have now in what classes it slots into. they've already stated that they're switching to rsv4s next year. which definately wont be up against 600s :rockwoot:

Truth! Okay, you win Aprillia is off the list.

Dave 04-30-2009 08:22 AM

Woot! :lol:

Amber Lamps 04-30-2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 205701)
Woot! :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

101lifts2 05-04-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tached1000rr (Post 204671)
Here's my beef, Jay Leno can afford to buy his bike, Suzuki should review their records for that loyal repeat buying "average guy" and give him a damn bike.

Life is not fair, I accepted that a long time ago, but Michael Jordan walks into a restaurant and his meal is on the house, same for a movie, and some ballgame. When do stars/icons actually have to spend their own money?:idk:

Look deeper home boy. Its cheap advertising for Suzuki. Prolly costs 4k to build one of these and that is cheap for Leno to advertise.

marko138 05-04-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 207863)
Look deeper home boy. Its cheap advertising for Suzuki. Prolly costs 4k to build one of these and that is cheap for Leno to advertise.

You know thats a fact.

101lifts2 05-05-2009 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 207885)
You know thats a fact.

The 4k? LOL...Well if the dealer invoice is around 8500..I would say yes about 4-5K. Anyway cheap advertising.

Tmall 05-05-2009 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 205379)
They are racing a V2 1000 cc bike against 600 cc I4s so yes, they do belong on this list for now anyway. I hear what you are saying and I agree that Aprillia is better than Buell or Ducati in that respect. I still give the most props to BMW. They are a huge corporation and I believe were a sponsor at one time. They probably could have managed to muscle their way in with a 1200+ cc boxer engined bike if they had wanted to but they chose to build a bike that would be competitive without having a 40+% cc advantage written into the rulebook.

While I make fun of it myself.. Buell is running a stock engined bike against race machines.

You can take that any way you see it. But, a company of less than 200 people (including receptionists, mail clerks etc) is doing their best to run against companies that have hundreds of thousands of employees and countless millions of dollars of development.

Besides, back when Nickey won ama in 2002(?). i4s were restricted, and the twins had an advantage. Soooo a huge corporation with limitless money had restrictions in place to help them run. Why not Buell?

marko138 05-05-2009 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 208509)
While I make fun of it myself.. Buell is running a stock engined bike against race machines.

You can take that any way you see it. But, a company of less than 200 people (including receptionists, mail clerks etc) is doing their best to run against companies that have hundreds of thousands of employees and countless millions of dollars of development.

Besides, back when Nickey won ama in 2002(?). i4s were restricted, and the twins had an advantage. Soooo a huge corporation with limitless money had restrictions in place to help them run. Why not Buell?

I've never understood the knock on Buell. I really don't. Anyone who knows Erik's story and struggle to become what he has today should love this guy.

Dave 05-05-2009 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 208509)
While I make fun of it myself.. Buell is running a stock engined bike against race machines.

You can take that any way you see it. But, a company of less than 200 people (including receptionists, mail clerks etc) is doing their best to run against companies that have hundreds of thousands of employees and countless millions of dollars of development.

Besides, back when Nickey won ama in 2002(?). i4s were restricted, and the twins had an advantage. Soooo a huge corporation with limitless money had restrictions in place to help them run. Why not Buell?

so they should be allowed to play with special rules because noone works there?

Tmall 05-05-2009 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 208534)
so they should be allowed to play with special rules because noone works there?

That is EXACTLY what I said....
Or you could have read what I wrote and realized that they made concessions so a billion dollar company could compete. So, why not a much smaller company?

I'm not overly defending them. I'd like to see them running with like displacment bikes, but is what it is. And if you don't like it, change the channel or found your own race org.

RACER X 05-05-2009 09:07 AM

i've met Eric Buell 1x, he used to build bicycles before m/c's

Dave 05-05-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 208545)
That is EXACTLY what I said....
Or you could have read what I wrote and realized that they made concessions so a billion dollar company could compete. So, why not a much smaller company?

I'm not overly defending them. I'd like to see them running with like displacment bikes, but is what it is. And if you don't like it, change the channel or found your own race org.

funny you said that, i pay little to no attention to the circus that is ama/dmg. my end being covered, you missed an option. dont compete. everyone else builds race machines you can take on the street whereas buell builds street bikes that they are attempting to race. i still havent had the pleasure of throwing a leg over one but im sure they are great at what they are designed to do (street riding) but if they cant spport their effort they shouldnt be making it. also, they are hardly broke or that small. remember who daddy is, though HD might not be that willing to fund race efforts considering their own failures in that arena (specifically the vr1000)

fnfalman 05-05-2009 12:07 PM

BMW went with the I4 instead of some super duper boxer twin because they've learned from the past that a watercooled boxer twin wouldn't do it (google BMW R1). The current boxer twin did OK (mid-pack) against I4 in an endurance race, but will never be truly competitive. It may be competitive against a 600-cc (with some extensive mods like going from shaft drive to chain or belt drive and with shortened chassis) but no way in hell against a liter bike.

Tmall 05-05-2009 12:20 PM

I just see it this way..

If a stock mustang with modded suspension was running against much smaller displacement formula cars, everybody would be impressed.

Buell does it with a bike, and everybody complains.

z06boy 05-05-2009 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 208528)
I've never understood the knock on Buell. I really don't. Anyone who knows Erik's story and struggle to become what he has today should love this guy.

I don't have a problem with Buell or Erik...he and they are cool. I just have a problem with an 1125 or whatever size bike running against a little 600 and people making a big deal about it when they win. :idk:

Tmall 05-05-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 208984)
I don't have a problem with Buell or Erik...he and they are cool. I just have a problem with an 1125 or whatever size bike running against a little 600 and people making a big deal about it when they win. :idk:

I know what you mean..

Kinda irks me that a 6 or 7 litre chevy's direct competition are vehicles with half their displacement. :whistle:

fasternyou929 05-05-2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 209030)
I know what you mean..

Kinda irks me that a 6 or 7 litre chevy's direct competition are vehicles with half their displacement. :whistle:

:lol: Ouch.

Tmall 05-05-2009 03:45 PM

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/leman...ts/?sc_id=1677

And if you look here.. The acura had less displacement, and beat the chevy by about 3 laps..


I'm just saying. :idk:

shmike 05-05-2009 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 209036)
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/leman...ts/?sc_id=1677

And if you look here.. The acura had less displacement, and beat the chevy by about 3 laps..


I'm just saying. :idk:

What are those silly alpha-numeric combo's in the CLS column? :scratch:

Rsv1000R 05-05-2009 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmike (Post 209060)
What are those silly alpha-numeric combo's in the CLS column? :scratch:

Class
Prototype1
Prototype2
Grand Touring 1, etc

shmike 05-05-2009 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 209071)
Class
Prototype1
Prototype2
Grand Touring 1, etc

Thanks, Captain.

It was a jab at Tmall.

Different car types = different classes.

Tmall 05-05-2009 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmike (Post 209060)
What are those silly alpha-numeric combo's in the CLS column? :scratch:

It was the quickest thing I could find. I was hoping for a gtr beating a zr1 on the track.. BUt, it was quicker and easier this way.. :lol:

Amber Lamps 05-05-2009 04:42 PM

What I don't understand is why someone doesn't buy a 999R and wipe the track with the entire class.

Oh and the Buell is FAR from stock Bro... really.

Tmall 05-05-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 209114)
What I don't understand is why someone doesn't buy a 999R and wipe the track with the entire class.

Oh and the Buell is FAR from stock Bro... really.

Read this...

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...d.php?t=176482

From Mr Buell to Mr Dewan

Dear Mr. DeWan,
I do not read Superbike Planet, so am not aware of what they published and cannot comment. It appears that your comments are aimed at the Buells racing in the AMA, so to that I can respond.
The Daytona Sport Bike class was created by AMA Pro Racing as a class that would enable many brands to compete. This is similar to what has been done in the automotive Grand-Am series where Porsche, Pontiac, Cadillac, BMW, Jaguar, etc. all compete together with different displacements and engine types. During the season if any brand should appear to have an advantage, rules changes will be adopted to slow down that brand, It has worked in Grand-Am, and hopefully, will work in the AMA.
The factory backed 600's in DSB are very refined, as the top speeds of 180 mph at Daytona show. Great application of technology from huge companies, and out of reach for all but a few chosen riders. On the other hand, the 1125R's running in the class are very close to stock, and they make a very economical ride for talented privateers like Danny Eslick, Michael Barnes, Shawn Higbee, Taylor Knapp, etc. As an es-privateer AMA racer, I applaud what the AMA has done to break the stranglehold of highly funded factory teams. I am also quite happy to see the Buell patented American innovations like fuel in the frame and ZTL brakes be shown as competitive on the track.
If you check the facts of split times, you would see that other brands have higher top speeds, and that Danny's split times show he is quickest in the handling sections of the track. That would certainly indicate e don't have a power advantage. Of course the 1125 can make more power, but we are not pushing that at all since the goal is to have competitive racing between many brands. After Road Atlanta, the weight was shifted to add 15lbs to the Buell and remove 5lbs from everyone else. We are fine with that, as we understand the AMA is learning what makes the competition most close.
So how do I feel about my company and racing? Well, all of Buell is only 200 people, including design, test analysis, accounting, IS, HR, assembly, shipping, maintenance, etc. Ducati has more than that in their race department, and Honda has thousands in the racing alone - 170,000 total. Our race department is six people. So I'm proud of this little team. I'm proud that our patented innovations work. I'm proud to be part of enabling guys like Danny to prove their skills.
We at Buell are working towards getting a Superbike version of the 1125 ready. Yes, we'll be under the displacement limit, but the 1125 is all we have. Yes, our staff is tiny, but they work harder than anyone else. So, what are our chances when even a company like Ducati is a behemoth compared to us? Pretty slim admittedly, but we deserve respect that at least we we will be out there. No one in the US has tried harder, and we'll continue to do so.

signed by Erik Buell

Amber Lamps 05-05-2009 05:31 PM

I read it and he's full of shit. A casual glance reveals chain drive and other changes from stock... I don't know, but I'd have a hard time crowing if my bike had an almost double displacement advantage from a motor that I outsourced from one of those "huge corporations" he's blathering on about. Or are you going to try and convince everyone that Rotax is a "small 200 man company too"? It's bad enough that he's trying to convince everyone that he's doing this with zero support from HD.

Dave 05-05-2009 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 209154)
I read it and he's full of shit. A casual glance reveals chain drive and other changes from stock... I don't know, but I'd have a hard time crowing if my bike had an almost double displacement advantage from a motor that I outsourced from one of those "huge corporations" he's blathering on about. Or are you going to try and convince everyone that Rotax is a "small 200 man company too"? It's bad enough that he's trying to convince everyone that he's doing this with zero support from HD.

exactly! looks like about 5000 employees at brp-rotax btw.

Mikey 05-05-2009 10:45 PM

I really like Buells, and I want to ride one. They intrigue me- particularly the XB12S. That looks like it has almost everything I want in a streetbike.

I don't, however, think an 1125cc bike should be racing in the 600cc class, ever. It's not like in the old days with the XB where Buell could claim that they were handicapped by being air-cooled; the 1125R is definitely a liquid-cooled gigantic twin, and should have no excuse for not being competitive with literbikes from the big 4.

I understand Buell is a small operation, but what you're forgetting is that they have some help. The engines for the 1125s are outsourced to Rotax (who definitely know what they're doing), and they have financial backing from HD, who definitely have some deep pockets.

Erik, stop making excuses. Run the 1125 in Superbike or get out. :idk:

101lifts2 05-06-2009 01:13 AM

The Buell is classed to run in the 600cc Superstock AMA...and they are winning. I think some of you are just fucking jealous.

And Eslick is running damn good races.

marko138 05-06-2009 08:22 AM

Go BUELL

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Assets/danny-eslick.jpg

Dave 05-06-2009 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 209349)

hrmmm yup thatlooks like a chain drive :lol:

Tmall 05-06-2009 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 209351)
hrmmm yup thatlooks like a chain drive :lol:

?? I don't see your point.. It allows for gearing changes to suit the track. I can do the same mod for a couple hundred bucks. It's not making the bike any more powerful. Just changing the revs at a given speed..


Is he running Corsa III's? Does he have the stock turn signals on there???

Mikey 05-06-2009 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 209297)
The Buell is classed to run in the 600cc Superstock AMA...and they are winning. I think some of you are just fucking jealous.

And Eslick is running damn good races.

I'm glad that they're competing, I just think they're in the wrong class. An 1125cc water-cooled twin has no business racing against 600cc fours.

Put it in Superbike where the competition will be closer to the same displacement and see how things go then. I think that will make the Buell a better bike, and it will definitely increase the respect it gets.

And while we're at it- if the racebike has a chain drive, the streetbike should too. At a minimum, chain drive should be an option. :idk:

z06boy 05-06-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 209030)
I know what you mean..

Kinda irks me that a 6 or 7 litre chevy's direct competition are vehicles with half their displacement. :whistle:

I didn't realize that was the topic. I didn't say anything about chevy's or whatever their direct competition is. :idk:

I was at a bikenight the other day and a guy with a Buell started talking smack to a friend and my wife who both ride R6's and I laughed and this thread reminded me of it that's all. :idk:

Yeah I've got a Z06...big deal. I had a Mustang before with a Vortech...again big deal.

Newsflash...I owned a Skyline GT when I was stationed in Japan in the Marines too...I'm not brand loyal so again...big deal.

I've owned Mazdas...Hondas...Toyotas...and oh yeah have a NEON SRT-4 in the garage as we speak.

Now back on topic...yeah I find it funny that alot of Buell fans are bragging about beating a 600. Run against the litre bikes and see how it goes. Funny Ducati can do it. :idk:

As I've already mentioned...I like Buells...just not some of the dick headed owners.

z06boy 05-06-2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209502)
I'm glad that they're competing, I just think they're in the wrong class. An 1125cc water-cooled twin has no business racing against 600cc fours.

Put it in Superbike where the competition will be closer to the same displacement and see how things go then. I think that will make the Buell a better bike, and it will definitely increase the respect it gets.

And while we're at it- if the racebike has a chain drive, the streetbike should too. At a minimum, chain drive should be an option. :idk:

How I feel as well. :rockout:

z06boy 05-06-2009 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmike (Post 209072)
Thanks, Captain.

It was a jab at Tmall.

Different car types = different classes.

:lol: Not exactly "direct competition" huh ? :whistle:

marko138 05-06-2009 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 209351)
hrmmm yup thatlooks like a chain drive :lol:

Whats your fucking point, douche bag?

marko138 05-06-2009 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209502)
I'm glad that they're competing, I just think they're in the wrong class. An 1125cc water-cooled twin has no business racing against 600cc fours.

Put it in Superbike where the competition will be closer to the same displacement and see how things go then. I think that will make the Buell a better bike, and it will definitely increase the respect it gets.

And while we're at it- if the racebike has a chain drive, the streetbike should too. At a minimum, chain drive should be an option. :idk:

It is...if you have a current race license. I have the Buell parts catalog at home.

Mikey 05-06-2009 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 209530)
It is...if you have a current race license. I have the Buell parts catalog at home.

That's stupid, IMO. I can go out tomorrow and buy an R6, throw track plastics and sticky tires on it, and go racing. Yamaha won't ask me for a race license for anything they sell; why does Buell? Do they think that only qualified racers can handle chain drive?

Again, I'm not anti-Buell at all. I think they make cool streetbikes and have some really innovative ideas. I just don't think they should need nearly double the displacement of Japanese machinery to be competitive.

marko138 05-06-2009 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209542)
That's stupid, IMO. I can go out tomorrow and buy an R6, throw track plastics and sticky tires on it, and go racing. Yamaha won't ask me for a race license for anything they sell; why does Buell? Do they think that only qualified racers can handle chain drive?

Again, I'm not anti-Buell at all. I think they make cool streetbikes and have some really innovative ideas. I just don't think they should need nearly double the displacement of Japanese machinery to be competitive.

You can easily get aftermarket chain set up for next to nothing.

wildchild 05-06-2009 01:07 PM

what the hell Leno got a Buell too. lucky bastige.













LOL just kidding

Amber Lamps 05-06-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 209517)

Now back on topic...yeah I find it funny that alot of Buell fans are bragging about beating a 600. Run against the litre bikes and see how it goes. Funny Ducati can do it. :idk:

As I've already mentioned...I like Buells...just not some of the dick headed owners.


Exactly, Ducati is a way smaller company than HD and yet they have managed to race in the Superbike class. It's bad enough that they have to have such a huge displacement advantage (from an out sourced motor no less) but to then crow about it like they've accomplished something spectacular is douchebaggery at it's very finest. I still don't understand why someone doesn't get out there on a Ducati and wipe their asses' with these clowns.

BTW Eslick has been on some reasonably competitive equipment before and couldn't win shit. If you put Hacking on that bike he would lap half the field. It's also my opinion that they are sandbagging a little to keep DMG from "slowing them down". I think that little note from Eric even says that they haven't "fully developed" the engine yet.

Whatever, it's bullshit and everyone knows it. I can't wait for the "we won the championship" ads to come out. I hope that they plan on racing for quite a while because I doubt Eslick will be able to get a job with any of the other teams after this.:lol:

Amber Lamps 05-06-2009 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 209529)
Whats your fucking point, douche bag?

That it's not stock is all... EB claims that they are racing his bike stock.:idk:

Amber Lamps 05-06-2009 02:54 PM

Here the other thing, what would you say if it were Suzuki fielding an 1125cc machine in the 600cc class?

z06boy 05-06-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 209640)
Here the other thing, what would you say if it were Suzuki fielding an 1125cc machine in the 600cc class?

...or the 600's with power adders. :lol:....sorry I just had to.

Yeah I know power adders aren't really good for roadracing...just saying...:lol:

Rsv1000R 05-06-2009 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209542)
That's stupid, IMO. I can go out tomorrow and buy an R6, throw track plastics and sticky tires on it, and go racing. Yamaha won't ask me for a race license for anything they sell; why does Buell? Do they think that only qualified racers can handle chain drive?

Again, I'm not anti-Buell at all. I think they make cool streetbikes and have some really innovative ideas. I just don't think they should need nearly double the displacement of Japanese machinery to be competitive.

But your 600 isn't going to lap anywhere near as fast as a factory 600 either.

Mikey 05-06-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 209647)
But your 600 isn't going to lap anywhere near as fast as a factory 600 either.

That's mostly because of the hack in the saddle. ;)

Still, I would wager that the 600s are as close, or closer, to stock than the 1125R is. It really doesn't take much to turn a modern 600 into a Supersport race bike.

That still doesn't explain why the Buell needs such a huge displacement advantage. :idk:

Rsv1000R 05-06-2009 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209657)
That still doesn't explain why the Buell needs such a huge displacement advantage. :idk:

I don't know that it does, it's just the only size that it's made in.

If Erik is right about what DMG was trying to do, the difference doesn't matter, the Buells will start getting weight added to them, didn't the same thing happen to Ducati in BSB?

Oh, if you think their bikes are breaking the rules, get a bike, and file a complaint, or get a buell and start winning?

ceo012384 05-06-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2 (Post 209297)
The Buell is classed to run in the 600cc Superstock AMA...and they are winning. I think some of you are just fucking jealous.

And Eslick is running damn good races.

Jealous? More like fed up with them being granted pardons to run their bike in the wrong class.

If Buell built a solid race bike and won races with it in the proper class, I would certainly be excited to see them do it and give them props.

They haven't.

If suzuki started bringing built literbikes to 600 Superstock races and was winning, would you listen when people started touting about the bike and the brand and how great they are? Or would you laugh? I'm laughing at Buell.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209253)
I don't, however, think an 1125cc bike should be racing in the 600cc class, ever. It's not like in the old days with the XB where Buell could claim that they were handicapped by being air-cooled; the 1125R is definitely a liquid-cooled gigantic twin, and should have no excuse for not being competitive with literbikes from the big 4.

Erik, stop making excuses. Run the 1125 in Superbike or get out. :idk:

Exactly.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209502)
I'm glad that they're competing, I just think they're in the wrong class. An 1125cc water-cooled twin has no business racing against 600cc fours.

Put it in Superbike where the competition will be closer to the same displacement and see how things go then. I think that will make the Buell a better bike, and it will definitely increase the respect it gets.

Exactly.
Quote:

Originally Posted by z06boy (Post 209517)
Now back on topic...yeah I find it funny that alot of Buell fans are bragging about beating a 600. Run against the litre bikes and see how it goes. Funny Ducati can do it. :idk:

As I've already mentioned...I like Buells...just not some of the dick headed owners.

Plus motherfucking one.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey (Post 209657)
That still doesn't explain why the Buell needs such a huge displacement advantage. :idk:

Exactly.

Dave 05-06-2009 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marko138 (Post 209529)
Whats your fucking point, douche bag?

my point is your useless fanboy post corroborated something tigger said earlier. it struck me as funny that you would unintentionally help him out so i commented. :lol:

Rsv1000R 05-13-2009 11:43 AM

I heard that the AMA dyno'd the top 10(?) finishers at Road Atlanta, and added 15#'s to the Buells.

So does that make you sissy girls feel better?

Trip 05-13-2009 11:48 AM

No, we think it's hilarious the only way they can compete is to race against engines much smaller than their own. It's fucking hilarious at the complete and utter incompetence of their engineering department that they can't make an engine that large to compete on the same level as other people operating twins in that displacement range.


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