Well, hell, I had better qualify my statement about take offs so no one will misconstrue it or get bent outta shape. Anything black and round holding air can be used on the street. I was just referring to some guys who should have known better riding very aggressively on DOT take offs that were very used up and getting really poor traction. These guys were not noobs, were good riders, but should have either been using a sticky street tire or maybe even a new track day tire to get their literbikes hooked up. The take offs were way used up in terms of heat cycles and tread wear and did not perform up to the potential of my old worn out sport touring tires...OK back to the bitch slapping...