Fun Season

[zortness]

Thanks guys. I actually like the geometry of the R6 but the power of the 636. I'm down about 8 or so hp from the 636, but the bike turns in a hell of a lot faster.

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by zortness

Thanks guys. I actually like the geometry of the R6 but the power of the 636. I'm down about 8 or so hp from the 636, but the bike turns in a hell of a lot faster.

Some of the hp will be made up after Steve dyno-tunes it, no? Or is that where you stand now, after the tune?

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by zortness

Thanks guys. I actually like the geometry of the R6 but the power of the 636. I'm down about 8 or so hp from the 636, but the bike turns in a hell of a lot faster.

I find that odd

What year was your 636?

My buddy has an 04 with a supersport built motor and my R6 walks away from it on the straights

[Trip]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

I find that odd

What year was your 636?

My buddy has an 04 with a supersport built motor and my R6 walks away from it on the straights

Your buddy's motor builder should be kicked in the nuts then. Considering stock for stock, a sub 110hp stock bike shouldn't walk away from a plus 120hp stock bike.

[ceo012384]

hp figures are meaningless unless they are from the same dyno on the same day...

But it doesn't surprise me. He said the motor upgrade made a huge difference from his stock 636 motor. it's just that the r6 is two years newer and it's a screamer.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

hp figures are meaningless unless they are from the same dyno on the same day...

But it doesn't surprise me. He said the motor upgrade made a huge difference from his stock 636 motor. it's just that the r6 is two years newer and it's a screamer.

bhp are done in factory conditions, pretty much the same conditions, not talking rwhp.

nevermind the R6's bhp is 133 not under 110, hp numbers are a pain in the ass to find reliable info....

[zortness]

My stock 05 636 motor was putting out 112 hp, while the R6 put out 102 "as raced," 106 after remapping. Both run on the same dyno, around the same time of year (last year around this time on the 636). The highest hp number my tuner has seen on an R6 on his dyno is 114 (stock 08 R6 with LV pipe, pc3, and U4), so I'd say that 133 hp is pretty meaningless. I could get more out of my bike, but I'm not willing to quadruple my fuel costs per weekend by switching to race fuel.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by zortness

My stock 05 636 motor was putting out 112 hp, while the R6 put out 102 "as raced," 106 after remapping. Both run on the same dyno, around the same time of year (last year around this time on the 636). The highest hp number my tuner has seen on an R6 on his dyno is 114 (stock 08 R6 with LV pipe, pc3, and U4), so I'd say that 133 hp is pretty meaningless. I could get more out of my bike, but I'm not willing to quadruple my fuel costs per weekend by switching to race fuel.

133 isn't rwhp, it's bhp. You aren't going to see bhp unless your tuner takes your engine off your bike and gets rid of all the auxiliary systems. It's what I look for because it's the factory test of the engine on a bench.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

Not sure on all of this, but manufacturers all inflate or deflate their numbers according to their desires.

They want to make the bike seem powerful to the masses but also want to fall under the right emissions regulations.

There are also various types of HP to report (SAE, etc.).

I wouldn't think that comparing a bhp claim of one manufacturer on their 600SS to another manufacturer's holds very much accuracy.

If you could get reliable info it would, but that's why I posted this

Originally Posted by Trip

hp numbers are a pain in the ass to find reliable info....

[Dnyce]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

I find that odd

What year was your 636?

My buddy has an 04 with a supersport built motor and my R6 walks away from it on the straights

gearing? even so, a "built" motor usually means fuel managment, full system, cams, ported, more compression, balanced/blueprinted, race gas, etc. not sure on the supersport rulebook, but u got a pipe and a tune, on pump gas.

he should walk away from you, or walk to his builder and kick him in the nuts.