Helmet laws suck?

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by dreaded

Mandating PERSONAL safety. I can slow down and use smaller words if you're having this much difficulty following along... really...

I, no, need, gubbee-min, tell, me, how, live, life.

Did that help?



Ok, so it appears you ARE having difficulty following along. Allow me to help you by selecting a different activity. We'll use riding an ATV on private property as an example (because you clearly cannot comprehend this situation from the previous given examples and are trying to steer the conversation away from the subject.)

So, where were we? ATVs! Yes. So, why should it be illegal for one to purchase, own and operate ATVs or (since I am speaking slowly and clearly for you) any other kind of offroad vehicle on my OWN private land without the governments consent to helmet laws. Hrmmm....?

Same thing in public. If some squid wants to take himself out, why shouldn't he be free too? Yeah yeah, cry about your insurance- easy enough, just put acheckbox on the insurance application saying "I do not wear a helmet 100% of the time when I ride."

But right under it, put another checkbox that reads "Pull the plug when I am veggie."



In the future, lets hope we have a better say in government. Maybe in the future true citizens and patriots will alleviate some of this reckless spending of public funds on asshole politicians who sit around waging war and conjuring up bullshit- like helmet laws.

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Actually, you know what, I'm just going to unsubscribe from this one. You can bother answering me, but I fear that you're just not smart enough to get it. Best of luck staying in line with the other sheep.

Have fun doing whatever the government tells you!

First... can you not defend you stand point with out reducing it to ignorant name calling and mockery? any point you've made is lost in how you presented it. grow up and join the discussion like an adult.

but here... I'll address your points.

So, where were we? ATVs! Yes. So, why should it be illegal for one to purchase, own and operate ATVs or (since I am speaking slowly and clearly for you) any other kind of offroad vehicle on my OWN private land without the governments consent to helmet laws. Hrmmm....?

I'm the one stearing the subject away? we were talking about helmet laws on public roads and you start in on ATV's? HUGE diffrence... your not on public roads... if you get hurt or in an accident... public tax dollars are not going to your aid... police aren't going to respond... your not going to effect traffic... ect.

Same thing in public. If some squid wants to take himself out, why shouldn't he be free too? Yeah yeah, cry about your insurance- easy enough, just put acheckbox on the insurance application saying "I do not wear a helmet 100% of the time when I ride."

because like I said before... the government ALOWES YOU to have the PRIVLIGE of operating a motorvehicle on public roads... it is NOT A RIGHT... and so your subject to what ever regulations they put forth. so... like I asked before... what about the speed limit? or requirements for your vehicle to be smog or inspected? are they infringing on having your rights there?

NO... you can have an un inspected vehicle... you can have a vehicle that burns 100gal of gas a mile, and kills trees instantly with the smog it puts out... you can ride with out a helmet... but not on public roads... because it's against the requirements for you to exercise your PRIVLIGE to ride/drive.

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Actually, you know what, I'm just going to unsubscribe from this one. You can bother answering me, but I fear that you're just not smart enough to get it. Best of luck staying in line with the other sheep.

Have fun doing whatever the government tells you!

great... use the extra time to mature and hopefully when you come back you'll have graduated from 7th grade and can have an open discussion like an adult.

[Amber Lamps]

YAY!!!! See? I don't seem quite so bad now,do I? Hahahahahaha!

[Smittie61984]

From racing BMX where you may reach max speeds of 25mph. I learned real well that helmets are valuable. I'd be dead so many times over without one. I'd even wear them on some backyard jumps I had. Which again saved me big time. Oh and a helmet saved my life for sure when I crashed on a BMX jump where I busted my spleen. I saw green after I hit (Usually a sign of a concusion). Without it I would have probalby cracked my skullin half and would be dead.

Hope your friend heals up.

[Angee]

Ok, I just want to put in one post worth on this and I'm done...I hate the government sticking their nose into my business just as much as anyone. I say repeal the helmet law and let nature (Darwin) do the rest. If Gooberhead down the street doesn't have a helmet and wrecks and becomes a vegetable, his family should have to pay his medical bills and not the taxpayers (via Medicaid and Disability, which we ALL pay for). Why should we have to pay for some jackass stunting without a helmet to live in a semi-coma in a long-term health care facility because he didn't want the inconvenience of buying or wearing gear? Maybe if the government would stop taking care of those who don't bother taking care of themselves, it would be a non-issue...refuse to let them get on Medicaid after-the-fact if there was stupidity or high-speed involved on the part of the rider. If you choose not to protect yourself, you should be the one to pay the consequences, not the rest of us.

Oh, and yes, driving on the roads IS a privilege (we don't really have a choice but to pay for) because we CAN have that privilege taken from us...if it were a "right", we couldn't have our license taken away, now could we? I raised hell the first time I heard that, but after I thought about it, it made perfect sense.



I hope dude gets better soon.

[Mudpuppy]

Originally Posted by Angee

Ok, I just want to put in one post worth on this and I'm done...I hate the government sticking their nose into my business just as much as anyone. I say repeal the helmet law and let nature (Darwin) do the rest. If Gooberhead down the street doesn't have a helmet and wrecks and becomes a vegetable, his family should have to pay his medical bills and not the taxpayers (via Medicaid and Disability, which we ALL pay for). Why should we have to pay for some jackass stunting without a helmet to live in a semi-coma in a long-term health care facility because he didn't want the inconvenience of buying or wearing gear? Maybe if the government would stop taking care of those who don't bother taking care of themselves, it would be a non-issue...refuse to let them get on Medicaid after-the-fact if there was stupidity or high-speed involved on the part of the rider. If you choose not to protect yourself, you should be the one to pay the consequences, not the rest of us.

Oh, and yes, driving on the roads IS a privilege (we don't really have a choice but to pay for) because we CAN have that privilege taken from us...if it were a "right", we couldn't have our license taken away, now could we? I raised hell the first time I heard that, but after I thought about it, it made perfect sense.



I hope dude gets better soon.

i agree - why the fuck is the government our moral compass? half those motherfuckers are child molesters, drug addicts, a lot have felonies and they are our almighty moral compass? the seat belt law is no fucking different.. it's not to "protect" us it's more to tax us more through extra revenue they create through tickets so they have more money to waste and line their pockets.. increased budgets to give their buddies the contract to "fix" the road or whatever so they get a kick back.. fucking bullshit..

with that said law or no law i will always wear my seat belt and my full gear including helmet when riding - it's fucking common sense.. but i also believe that if you or anyone else chooses not for whatever reason i respect that as long as it doesn't raise my insurance when you split your melon on the concrete and become a vegetable.. or fly through the windshield or get taken out by an air bag..

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Mudpuppy

i agree - why the fuck is the government our moral compass? half those motherfuckers are child molesters, drug addicts, a lot have felonies and they are our almighty moral compass? the seat belt law is no fucking different.. it's not to "protect" us it's more to tax us more through extra revenue they create through tickets so they have more money to waste and line their pockets.. increased budgets to give their buddies the contract to "fix" the road or whatever so they get a kick back.. fucking bullshit..

with that said law or no law i will always wear my seat belt and my full gear including helmet when riding - it's fucking common sense.. but i also believe that if you or anyone else chooses not for whatever reason i respect that as long as it doesn't raise my insurance when you split your melon on the concrete and become a vegetable.. or fly through the windshield or get taken out by an air bag..

Gosh I've missed you! If it were up to me all seat belt and helmet type laws would be revoked and a law would be written that the ins. cos are not required to pay claims for people not using them.

[ducati_atx]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

If it were up to me all seat belt and helmet type laws would be revoked and a law would be written that the ins. cos are not required to pay claims for people not using them.

you would get my vote (as well as many others... I assume.)

[Mudpuppy]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Gosh I've missed you! If it were up to me all seat belt and helmet type laws would be revoked and a law would be written that the ins. cos are not required to pay claims for people not using them.

missed you too buttercup.. i've been around just been busy and haven't had time to spread the love.. and YES exactly what you said - the government is NOT our moral compass and has no right to impose this bullshit unless but if someone chooses not to take advantage of the safety features available then they forfeit their insurance / ability to collect when they get fucked up..

and DO NOT get me started on insurance of any kind - it's total bullshit.. ok fuck it i will say 2 things and keep it short:

1. Why is it that I get penalized because my wife and I both work full time? So my fucking health insurance won't cover her because she has insurance available to her and her insurance won't cover me because of the same. So now we pay for 2 policies. Bullshit - total double dipping. If I didn't have kids I wouldn't have insurance and I will have my own bank account that would be my insurance - just put the equivalent of the premium in there every month because even when I use my shitty insurance I pay the full amount anyways - it's stupid.

2. Hospitals, insurance companies are scamming us - I just recently found out when I attended my benefits meeting (benefits what a grand word for getting fucked in the ass) and I found out, which I never knew, that part of the money you pay for services covers those that can't pay for services. Don't get me wrong if someone is truly destitute I don't mind helping them. But then there is people like my aunt that swallows 127 vicodin in one day and almost dies. When they ask her for insurance she says I don't have any fuck you. That is bullshit.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Ebbs15

because like I said before... the government ALOWES YOU to have the PRIVLIGE of operating a motorvehicle on public roads... it is NOT A RIGHT... and so your subject to what ever regulations they put forth. so... like I asked before... what about the speed limit? or requirements for your vehicle to be smog or inspected? are they infringing on having your rights there?

ALLOWS ME the privilege of operating on public road of which is paid for by MY TAX DOLLARS?

Puh-leeze.

Headlights are there so that you won't run into others or others run into you.

Helmets do neither. Wearing a helmet or not wearing a helmet doesn't directly affect those around you.

I don't need no stinking law to wear a helmet. And if I were to choose not to, by God, that's what I should be able to do.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

ALLOWS ME the privilege of operating on public road of which is paid for by MY TAX DOLLARS?

Puh-leeze.

Headlights are there so that you won't run into others or others run into you.

Helmets do neither. Wearing a helmet or not wearing a helmet doesn't directly affect those around you.

I don't need no stinking law to wear a helmet. And if I were to choose not to, by God, that's what I should be able to do.

yes... they allow you to. if you don't follow the rules... you can be ticketed... arrested... even thrown in jail...

you may not agree with it... but it's true.

as for the headlights... my point in bringing that up was it's a requirement on a product YOU bought with YOUR money... yet with out them... the vehicle/bike is not allowed on the road.

Originally Posted by TIGGER

YAY!!!! See? I don't seem quite so bad now,do I? Hahahahahaha!

very true