Nascar....

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

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Go Fast! oh fuck! We're at Watkins Glen! *Smash*

Now that's funny !!

I live right in the middle of NASCAR country with a big track and several race shops nearby and know quite a few people in the business so it's hard for me not to somewhat keep up with it but I'm not a big fan and it's definitely not my favorite type of racing but I so usually keep up with the results.

[smileyman]

Stock car racing is cool! NASCAR SUX! The whole organization is a whore for coporate sponsorship, media outlets, ect. It is so commercialised the competition has suffered for decades!

Won't matter much what happens to the big 3 though, independent teams are supported by commercial sponsorships and NASCAR is supported by the teams and a huge share of the merchandising and media. It will continue on in its bastardized, semi aborted form.

[ducati_atx]

Originally Posted by smileyman

Won't matter much what happens to the big 3 though, independent teams are supported by commercial sponsorships and NASCAR is supported by the teams and a huge share of the merchandising and media. It will continue on in its bastardized, semi aborted form.

does the 25-30M a year the big three spend not count as commercial sponsorship? Not to mention all the parts/tech/etc they contribute.

[smileyman]

Originally Posted by ducati_atx

does the 25-30M a year the big three spend not count as commercial sponsorship? Not to mention all the parts/tech/etc they contribute.

Really it is a drop in the bucket...That 30 large is spread out among that manufacturers teams, so to each team it is a matter of contingency or picking up an add'l sponsor. You would be suprised how little the manufacturers contribute financially. Technically they contribute alot of engineering, wind tunnel time, ect, but Teams run on sponsorships primarily.

Without the technical contributions and attributes (which NASCAR has tried hard to limit or at least make equitable among manu's) the teams will just get on with R&D in house making them tighten their own budgets, seek more sponsor capitol, perhaps down size teams, which we re seeing already. But that is more of an economic threat caused by sponsors tightening up rather than just manufacturers.

Besides their teams employ hundreds and it is a business, so they are going to race something! Even if it is last years tech.

[MILK]

I don't watch the races either. HOWEVER, my husband works in the business. He was laid off several months ago.

So whatever your fucking opinion is of it - people are losing jobs there just like everywhere else.

Oh lookie what a cool smiley!

[Rider]

Originally Posted by MILK

I don't watch the races either. HOWEVER, my husband works in the business. He was laid off several months ago.

So whatever your fucking opinion is of it - people are losing jobs there just like everywhere else.

Sad times we live in.

[marko138]

No shit...and no end in sight.

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by Rider

Sad times we live in.

Definitely. I've been on standby all week with corporate security due to several executives being let go...just in case anyone freaks or has a medical emergency. It's really tough especially when you know the individual and they just had a major life changing experience placed in front of them. I don't mean the ones with a golden parachute either.

We were approched by a start up NASCAR team for a sponsorship a while back and it was $17 million for the first year. The boss declined. We did get involved with NASCAR but not by sponsoring a car or driver.

[pickle.of.doom]

Well, Japanese auto makers aren't doing that great either, and Japan as a country is worse off than we are here. So I'm assuming by this logic that Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, and Kawasaki should all drop their funding for all forms of motorcycle roadracing, dirt, drag, etc etc.

That would be the end of them

[Rider]

I have to admit, I have been to a race. BORING.

I can see why NASCAR has a bigger following. Everyone drives a car so people can relate. Not everyone rides a bike. I bet if you compared the percentage of the people who drive that are NASCAR fans and the percentage of people who ride sport bikes that are AMA/WSK/MotoGP fans, I bet the numbers would be similar or slightly is favor of the riders.