wow. local MSF inst. trying to pawn off zx-12r to a new rider

[pickle.of.doom]

Well he wouldn't be a very good MSF instructor if he didn't. The thought process is like this...


I am an MSF instructor
I trained this guy how to ride
His skills are sharp enough now to handle a 12r



Noobs are discouraged from buying big bikes because 90% of them don't go for any kind of rider training. If you are trained in riding, you are no longer a noob.

[RACER X]

so then as an MSF inst you're in agreement w/ the selling inst.

and feel confident a noob could handle basically any bike after BRC.

[pickle.of.doom]

no, I am not an MSF instructor, that was me demonstrating his train of thought as I see it.

I think someone who completes the MSF course would be waaaaaaaaay more competent to handle a busa then the average squid that goes out and buys a busa, or even a 600 supersport bike is.

[neebelung]

Originally Posted by pickle.of.doom

Well he wouldn't be a very good MSF instructor if he didn't. The thought process is like this...


I am an MSF instructor
I trained this guy how to ride
His skills are sharp enough now to handle a 12r



Noobs are discouraged from buying big bikes because 90% of them don't go for any kind of rider training. If you are trained in riding, you are no longer a noob.

Sarcasm much?

Seriously, when you walk out of the class, they tell you basically "Congrats... you're now qualified to go ride around in a parking lot." It's called the BRC for a reason -- it's a BEGINNER'S course. I don't know any instructor (and I know plenty of them ) who is egotistical enough to think they can prepare a newbie to ride a ZX12R in one weekend, not for lack of teaching skills, but because that's not what the curriculum is about.

[Sixxxxer]

Originally Posted by RACER X

so then as an MSF inst you're in agreement w/ the selling inst.

and feel confident a noob could handle basically any bike after BRC.

I dont think just b/c you complete the BRC you can handle "Any" bike...

[neebelung]

Even if the rider could "handle" a big bike fresh out of the class, what about that ONE time they goose the throttle just a little too much, or grab just a little too much front brake -- the class teaches you the principles so that you know how to react, but real seat time is what hones these skills, and betters the odds that you'll react properly (and safely).

[pickle.of.doom]

The guy still has waaaaaaaaay better shot than someone with 0 experience, 0 MSf, hopping on a 600.

What are the reasons we tell noobs to not buy big bikes? What are they going to do?

Like you say, loop it, grab too much throttle, or brake. Isn't that what the BRC is all about? Basic motorcycle controls, like not grabbing way too much throttle or brakes?

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by pickle.of.doom

The guy still has waaaaaaaaay better shot than someone with 0 experience, 0 MSf, hopping on a 600. AGREE

What are the reasons we tell noobs to not buy big bikes? What are they going to do?

Like you say, loop it, grab too much throttle, or brake. Isn't that what the BRC is all about? Basic motorcycle controls, like not grabbing way too much throttle or brakes?

IMO just cuz they pass the class doesn't mean they won't do it in real life.

lets take cornering, Slow, look, press, roll.......we hammer that in class. how many crash in corners in the real world? lots MSF or not, yes peeps w/ MSF exp. are less prone to crash, but nonetheless still crash in droves.........why would ham fisting or grabbing brake be any diff.

[pickle.of.doom]

Why would crashing in a corner on a zx12r be an different than on an r6? The r6 would probably be carrying more corner speed....

[neebelung]

Originally Posted by pickle.of.doom

Like you say, loop it, grab too much throttle, or brake. Isn't that what the BRC is all about? Basic motorcycle controls, like not grabbing way too much throttle or brakes?

Read my post above; yes, you learn the principles there, but let's face it - we've ALL done it (not loop it, but goosed it a bit too much or something). And yet it's our continued development as we ride more and more that hones those skills, IMO.

Sure the kid on the 12 who HAS taken the class might fare better than a total newb on a 600 who HASN'T, but that still doesn't mean the 12 is an appropriate "starter" bike.