wow. local MSF inst. trying to pawn off zx-12r to a new rider

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Is this one of those Trip-like arguments where you say stupid shit to stand ground on something you don't believe in just for the sake of arguing?



If you screw up braking on a 12r, you now have MORE weight out of control, be it too hot into a turn or headed toward the pavement because you hit the binders in a turn. And the 12r throttle response and torque is far different than a 600.

A GSXR1000 weighs maybe 15lbs more than a SV650... I went through a corner at least twice as fast as a newer rider on a SV a couple of weeks ago,I made it he didn't,why? Of course experience was at work but it has always been my contention that the inferior suspension and brakes on "starter" bikes can also be to blame....

As far as the OP goes...whether I'm selling you a bike or a gun,it is not my responsibility to make sure you know how to handle it.

[Smittie61984]

I took the MSF course and the next day ran the Isle of Man TT. I won the fucker on a Ninja250 in the 1000cc class. That guy was my teacher.

[101lifts2]

I've owned a 12r...actually the bike if very easy to ride. I would say go for it!!

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

A GSXR1000 weighs maybe 15lbs more than a SV650... I went through a corner at least twice as fast as a newer rider on a SV a couple of weeks ago,I made it he didn't,why? Of course experience was at work but it has always been my contention that the inferior suspension and brakes on "starter" bikes can also be to blame....

As far as the OP goes...whether I'm selling you a bike or a gun,it is not my responsibility to make sure you know how to handle it.

Gixxer and SV are in two different classes of sport bike, but I'd be willing to be had you been on the SV, you would've made it. I doubt either of you are riding near the limits of either bike.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Gixxer and SV are in two different classes of sport bike, but I'd be willing to be had you been on the SV, you would've made it. I doubt either of you are riding near the limits of either bike.

Oh of course not....I'm sure that you'll agree that the GSXR,any GSXR has far better brakes and suspension than any "starter bike",the Sv included.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Oh of course not....I'm sure that you'll agree that the GSXR,any GSXR has far better brakes and suspension than any "starter bike",the Sv included.

thus the mad rush to throw gsxr parts on peoples sv's

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Dave

thus the mad rush to throw gsxr parts on peoples sv's

That reminds me that I have forks and a shock to sell one of these days....

My only point such as it is,is that almost all crashes I've ever seen on the street resulted from injudicious use of the brakes and/or coming into a corner to hot for the rider (not necessarily the bike). In over 25 years of riding,I've only high sided once on the street...

[The Awesome]

The problem is you don't have to be able to ride, or know anything about riding for that matter, to be an MSF instructor. The MSF is a joke, and it should not be assumed that just because someone is playing the role of teacher that they have any business being there. My MSF instructors were some of the worst riders I've seen to this day.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

The problem is you don't have to be able to ride, or know anything about riding for that matter, to be an MSF instructor. The MSF is a joke, and it should not be assumed that just because someone is playing the role of teacher that they have any business being there. My MSF instructors were some of the worst riders I've seen to this day.

you must not hang out w/ many riders, or all your friends like you are riding gods........


maybe not

how many times you crashed ?, thread

Originally Posted by The Awesome

I'm not exactly sure. I think it's somewhere around 10 or 12.

[NeonspeedRT]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

The problem is you don't have to be able to ride, or know anything about riding for that matter, to be an MSF instructor. The MSF is a joke, and it should not be assumed that just because someone is playing the role of teacher that they have any business being there. My MSF instructors were some of the worst riders I've seen to this day.

I hate to inform you, but you are very, very mistaken. Part of the qualifications to be a MSF rider coach is that you must be an active motorcycle rider and currently own a motorcycle. "Most" schools will want you to have several years of riding under your belt and those years consisting of alot of miles. Not just riding back and forth to bike night or being a weekend warrior.

Not to mention to be a rider coach, you must have completed the BRC MSF class and then have 60 to 120 hours of "range aiding". Basically being a cone kicker and learning how to set up the range, what goes where and observing the rider coaches. Seeing how they interact with all the students what they say and what they do. Seeing how things are done, what kind of questions they ask and how they deal with the different situations.

Once the range aiding is done there is an 8 day program to get certified to become a rider coach. During that 8 day program the rider coach candidates are observed and watched from every angle possible. The rider coach candidate has to basically do the whole BRC class again and complete the riding evaluation with a much better score then the normal student.

So there is alot of time and training that goes into becoming a MSF rider coach. Training will vary by state, but those are the basic guidelines. There is also the ongoing training and state updates that rider coaches are required to attend.

I hate to say it, but it sounds like you just chose a bad school to attend. Did you do any research about the school first? Maybe you went to class with the "I know it all and they can't teach me anything" attitude. I don't know you, so I can't say either way. But we have those kind of students come through all the time. If you have that attitude, you are already in shut down mode and will never learn anything.

I would highly reccomend taking the class again and see if you have a different experience. It can't hurt. It can only help you.

If your instructors were truly that bad, you should have filed a complaint with the MSF or the school itself. Did you contact the owner of the school to share your experiences?