wow. local MSF inst. trying to pawn off zx-12r to a new rider

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

this makes me wonder if it was because they started on a small bike... or if it was more because of the type of person they are... starting with a 250 usually means they didn't give into the "it's not cool" pressure... so they're of a more mature mindset...

know what I mean?

I can see that,but it also depends on what you believe to be a "good rider". When I was younger,a good rider was someone who could run 35 mph curves at 100 with me. For a while it was guys that could run Grattan within 20 secs of race pace. Heck,it was even guys that could do wheelies at 100 mph on the freeway with me for a while. Now I'd settle for about 3 guys who could go for a ride at a moderately fast pace and not crash...

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I can see that,but it also depends on what you believe to be a "good rider". When I was younger,a good rider was someone who could run 35 mph curves at 100 with me. For a while it was guys that could run Grattan within 20 secs of race pace. Heck,it was even guys that could do wheelies at 100 mph on the freeway with me for a while. Now I'd settle for about 3 guys who could go for a ride at a moderately fast pace and not crash...

mine is more of someone who's in controll and weighs each risk to themselves and THOSE AROUND THEM while riding...

I could care less, if you could ride fast... if I'm riding with ya, I'll ride WITH ya (unless you leave me ) I'll save riding "fast" for myself.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

mine is more of someone who's in controll and weighs each risk to themselves and THOSE AROUND THEM while riding...

I could care less, if you could ride fast... if I'm riding with ya, I'll ride WITH ya (unless you leave me ) I'll save riding "fast" for myself.

I'm sorry,yea I'd hoped that my statements "implied" while not crashing around or into me....

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I'm sorry,yea I'd hoped that my statements "implied" while not crashing around or into me....

naw I got that... I was more talk'n about riding fast... speed means nothing to me really when I talk about a good rider...

same with a good driver.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

naw I got that... I was more talk'n about riding fast... speed means nothing to me really when I talk about a good rider...

same with a good driver.

Yea I see that too... I want it all,someone who can ride at my pace or faster AND hold their lines. I've ridden with some incredible riders over the years. Whether they be racers,canyon carvers or stunters. I appreciate anyone to can exhibit complete control over a motorcycle.