CA wants to smog check motorcycles

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by pdog

Zoomie, it's really easy to fall into the "us vs them" trap. You can either believe a conspiracy or you can believe you don't have all the facts. I almost always choose the latter as it's more in line with Occam's Razor: “The simplest explanation for a phenomenon is most likely the correct explanation."

I'm sure your numbers are right - but they don't tell the whole story. Specifically my guess is they are estimates based on pollution numbers from the factories based on stock machines i.e. motorcycles are not a big problem when they have all the CC and pollution equipment installed. In other words, IMO the numbers you quote don't show the current state but the best case state. Seen in that light, the numbers quoted in the article no longer seem like panic/FUD/bias/wrong to me.

Mike. The point I'm trying to make - those numbers are THEIR numbers, not mine. I pulled those from the site of the agency the LA Times was quoting. So, if there are numbers - they are THEIRS.

Do you SEE the frustration.

So, you say I'm wrong and they are right?? Wait... but, it's THEIR numbers and their quotes that I'm looking at. So, they are wrong - but the media is right? Fuck... who's right?

Who's on first?

[pdog]

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Let's wrap up this discussion: Kids, be nice and keep the CC on your bike if possible, mmmkay?

[neebelung]

Originally Posted by pdog

Let's wrap up this discussion: Kids, be nice and keep the CC on your bike if possible, mmmkay?

Just cus you play the holier-than-thou card doesn't mean the rest of us aren't "being nice." If we're too much for ya, I'm sure lifetimetv.com has kinder gentler forums for ya.

[zed]

did I miss something? looks like the bars for the motorcycle are shorter than all but 4 of the classes.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by zed

did I miss something? looks like the bars for the motorcycle are shorter than all but 4 of the classes.

Nope.

That's the picture. That's the TERRIFYING data... motorcycles are going to ruin the air quality for everyone around them.

BUT IT'S 10x THE CARS!!!!

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by azoomm

Nope.

That's the picture. That's the TERRIFYING data... motorcycles are going to ruin the air quality for everyone around them.

BUT IT'S 10x THE CARS!!!!

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE

Love the "" smilies

[neebelung]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

Love the "" smilies

We ought to name it "ohnoes" or "chickenlittle"

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by azoomm

Nope.

That's the picture. That's the TERRIFYING data... motorcycles are going to ruin the air quality for everyone around them.

BUT IT'S 10x THE CARS!!!!

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE

Here's my take on this. You say motorcycles account for a trivial percentage of total pollution, and I agree. But we still prosecute shoplifters even though what they steal represents a trival percentage of all stolen goods, right?

[Quick281]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Here's my take on this. You say motorcycles account for a trivial percentage of total pollution, and I agree. But we still prosecute shoplifters even though what they steal represents a trival percentage of all stolen goods, right?

She isn't saying CCs aren't needed, she is just trying to make a point of how the motorcycles aren't even the huge problem they proclaim them to be. On top of that she also points out that these numbers are estimated.


I am surprised no one even mentioned the fact that most motorcycles don't even see the same amount of use at people's cars.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Here's my take on this. You say motorcycles account for a trivial percentage of total pollution, and I agree. But we still prosecute shoplifters even though what they steal represents a trival percentage of all stolen goods, right?

OK, let's get this straight... I didn't say anything. The ARB did.

I simply owned pdog with the data he was freaking out over. That is, if he would actually READ the reports behind what the media is spewing rather than just throwing it up on a page and striking an uneducated view.

I care a LOT about the environment, and do what I can to offset the HUGE footprint I have on this planet (with my business, and all). There are so many other places to work on FIRST that are easier and more effective than a catalytic converter on a motorcycle. And, I don't recall anyone saying that they actually would or wouldn't take one off... other than pdog. Most of us here don't own a bike that had/has one.

THAT is my point.

Why are you running around digging up drama, anyway