If you have not crashed: What does it mean???

the chi · 05-29-2009, 10:06 AM

Im of the "2 types of rider crowd". You've either been down or your going down, be it a "crash" or a fall over.

Amber Lamps · 05-29-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Chi

Im of the "2 types of rider crowd". You've either been down or your going down, be it a "crash" or a fall over.

Hmmm... I still think it's a "sport bike" rider mindset and not a "motorcycle rider" mindset. I grew up around Harley people and I doubt that that 3/4 of them ever crashed in decades of riding. In fact, I'd say that their chances of crashing their bikes were considerably less than their getting into a car accident. Oh and the "fall over" crash... well, I've never just dropped a bike in my life. I'm sorry but you have to be either stupid, weak or riding a bike that's WAY too tall for you.

Besides, how can dropping your bike count as a "crash", come on! I once had to repair a hanger door where the guy was pushing his Cesna back and smacked the track... I guess you'd say he was involved in a PLANE CRASH!!!

This is what I mean by looking for ways to make the "everyone crashes" POV make sense.

Hey I once dropped a wrench and scratched my tank, does that count as a crash?

SteveP · 05-29-2009, 10:26 AM

I've had a couple drops at <1mph and a scary off road excursion a few weeks ago. I'm a very conservative street rider. When I see a turn the first thing I'm thinking is where is the dirt, gaurd rail, decreasing radius, etc.

the chi · 05-29-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hmmm... I still think it's a "sport bike" rider mindset and not a "motorcycle rider" mindset. I grew up around Harley people and I doubt that that 3/4 of them ever crashed in decades of riding. In fact, I'd say that their chances of crashing their bikes were considerably less than their getting into a car accident. Oh and the "fall over" crash... well, I've never just dropped a bike in my life. I'm sorry but you have to be either stupid, weak or riding a bike that's WAY too tall for you.

Besides, how can dropping your bike count as a "crash", come on! I once had to repair a hanger door where the guy was pushing his Cesna back and smacked the track... I guess you'd say he was involved in a PLANE CRASH!!!

This is what I mean by looking for ways to make the "everyone crashes" POV make sense.

Hey I once dropped a wrench and scratched my tank, does that count as a crash?

It does depend on your mindset. I didnt say that I think falling over is a crash, tho some people do count it.

FYI-the first person to ever tell me of the 2 types of rider rule was a harley/cruiser rider, who had been riding for 30+ years and never crashed. He still beleived it would happen, and I've seen first hand that it does.

Amber Lamps · 05-29-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Chi

It does depend on your mindset. I didnt say that I think falling over is a crash, tho some people do count it.

FYI-the first person to ever tell me of the 2 types of rider rule was a harley/cruiser rider, who had been riding for 30+ years and never crashed. He still beleived it would happen, and I've seen first hand that it does.

I know that motorcycle accidents "exist" and that anyone CAN have an accident, you are saying that everyone that rides WILL have an accident. I know better... Besides, the only absolute statement I will ever believe in is that "everybody dies", beyond that all bets are off.

skiergirl · 05-29-2009, 11:02 AM

I have ridden sport bikes for 18 years now and have never 'crashed' I have dropped my bike stopped when I put my foot in gravel/oil whatever, I have dropped it loading it on the trailer, pushing it etc. I do not consider that a crash. I feel a crash is something over 5-10 mph.

I'd like to think it's a combination of many things that account for this fact.
1. 18 years of experience in handling a bike
2. I do not 'push it' to the limit like some people even at that track. I do push and I'm fast enough but I'm not out trying to beat my best time every lap riding to the limit.
3. I do not commute and my street riding is more hill country and as far away from others as I can get so the risk of crashing of mainly on me to control my bike.

I will do everything in my power to NOT crash however I do ride with all gear because I know it can happen and I'm prepared for it when/if it does.

Will I ever crash? probably but then again, maybe not...

Trip · 05-29-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by skiergirl

I have dropped my bike stopped when I put my foot in gravel/oil whatever, I have dropped it loading it on the trailer, pushing it etc. I do not consider that a crash. I feel a crash is something over 5-10 mph.

That's like backing a car into a pole. I consider a drop a crash. You had control of the bike and lost control of it, hence a crash.

Homeslice · 05-31-2009, 05:18 PM

I would say that if someone has ridden for, say, 10,000 miles without crashing or at least tipping over, then they probably ride too conservatively for my tastes.

Amorok · 05-31-2009, 05:49 PM

I haven't crashed yet, but some of you know I ride like an old man. It's through caution and luck that I've stayed up so far.

pauldun170 · 05-31-2009, 09:14 PM

05-31-2009, 05:18 PM	#8
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	I would say that if someone has ridden for, say, 10,000 miles without crashing or at least tipping over, then they probably ride too conservatively for my tastes. Last edited by Homeslice; 05-31-2009 at 05:21 PM..

05-31-2009, 05:49 PM	#9
Amorok Issukangitok Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Biloxi, MS Moto: '06 Suzuki Boulevard C50T Posts: 2,225	I haven't crashed yet, but some of you know I ride like an old man. It's through caution and luck that I've stayed up so far. __________________ What goes around comes around. Sometimes you get what's coming around, and sometimes you are what's coming around. You see what I mean?

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05-29-2009, 10:26 AM	#3
SteveP Canyon Carver Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pensacola, FL Moto: The v-twin trifecta Posts: 437	I've had a couple drops at <1mph and a scary off road excursion a few weeks ago. I'm a very conservative street rider. When I see a turn the first thing I'm thinking is where is the dirt, gaurd rail, decreasing radius, etc.

05-29-2009, 11:02 AM	#6
skiergirl Gixxer Girl Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kyle, TX Moto: 05 GSXR 750 & 06 YZ250F Posts: 1,424	I have ridden sport bikes for 18 years now and have never 'crashed' I have dropped my bike stopped when I put my foot in gravel/oil whatever, I have dropped it loading it on the trailer, pushing it etc. I do not consider that a crash. I feel a crash is something over 5-10 mph. I'd like to think it's a combination of many things that account for this fact. 1. 18 years of experience in handling a bike 2. I do not 'push it' to the limit like some people even at that track. I do push and I'm fast enough but I'm not out trying to beat my best time every lap riding to the limit. 3. I do not commute and my street riding is more hill country and as far away from others as I can get so the risk of crashing of mainly on me to control my bike. I will do everything in my power to NOT crash however I do ride with all gear because I know it can happen and I'm prepared for it when/if it does. Will I ever crash? probably but then again, maybe not...