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[RACER X]

you should know every crash is diff. , so when you say similar its not saying alot, unless you crashed at the same place, same time, same temp., etc. etc.

as for the boots, they are closed in stilleto's ain't a whole lot too see.

i'll take my BMW kevlar mesh over your icon mesh anyday.

when you compare ICON to JR then you have a case, when you compare ICON to vansons you don't.

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Originally Posted by RACER X

you should know every crash is diff. , so when you say similar its not saying alot, unless you crashed at the same place, same time, same temp., etc. etc.

as for the boots, they are closed in stilleto's ain't a whole lot too see.

i'll take my BMW kevlar mesh over your icon mesh anyday.

when you compare ICON to JR then you have a case, when you compare ICON to vansons you don't.

Hey I'll give you that! I had a Vanson Star jacket and I went down HARD! Other than some scrapes, it held up awesome but for $600+ dollars...

I also agree that you can't ever exactly compare two crashes, so I concede that but I appreciate the fact that you recognize my point about overlay vs seams. BTW it goes without saying then that just because you saw one crash with some breaking an ankle wearing "similar" boots doesn't mean that these will also cause a broken ankle...aha!

I also agree that there are vast differences in mesh jackets as well but I'll take Icon's armor over that BMW (Heine Gerick?) armor. Icon uses a proprietary dual density-two stage armor while most others use off the shelf single stage armor. It's funny a BMW guy wants to compare a $400+ jacket to a $150 jacket and claim superiority. Take a look in that jacket and tell me if it doesn't say "Made in China" on the inside. Also, Icon has God on their side because they put a St. Christopher's medallion in every jacket!

[Fleck750]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hey I'll give you that! I had a Vanson Star jacket and I went down HARD! Other than some scrapes, it held up awesome but for $600+ dollars...

$600? Is that all?

I have wet dreams over this.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hey I'll give you that! I had a Vanson Star jacket and I went down HARD! Other than some scrapes, it held up awesome but for $600+ dollars...

whats your skin and piece of mind worth ?

I also agree that you can't ever exactly compare two crashes, so I concede that but I appreciate the fact that you recognize my point about overlay vs seams. BTW it goes without saying then that just because you saw one crash with some breaking an ankle wearing "similar" boots doesn't mean that these will also cause a broken ankle...aha!

overlay vs seams.....overlay sounds like it makes more sense, but then are so many dynamics in a crash. i'll take crash tested vs makes sense.

how are your riding boots made? w/ a high heel or low? whats it easier for women to walk in sandals or high heels, now add in an emergancy stop and having to plant your foot, and those boots are disaster waiting to happen. i'm of the better safe then sorry addage.

I also agree that there are vast differences in mesh jackets as well but I'll take Icon's armor over that BMW (Heine Gerick?) armor. Icon uses a proprietary dual density-two stage armor while most others use off the shelf single stage armor. It's funny a BMW guy wants to compare a $400+ jacket to a $150 jacket and claim superiority. Take a look in that jacket and tell me if it doesn't say "Made in China" on the inside. Also, Icon has God on their side because they put a St. Christopher's medallion in every jacket!

dunno who makes BMW gear/armor, my guess it's BMW. it does meet CE standards, does ICON ( i don't know.)

your skin your $, i'm not lookin to cheap out my gear. but thats me.

no made in china tag that i can find, no "made in" anywhere at a quick glance.

[marko138]

I'd reallly love a custom Vanson suit. And I own a pair of Icon gloves. I've had them for 3 seasons now. The build quality is not great. Velcro came unstitched from the wrist cuff. And they aren't terribly comfortable. But I will say this, they held up great in my get-off. No complaints about that. No busted seams and no spots where the leather wore through. So I can't fault their crashing ability.

These are what I have, Merc Long:

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Originally Posted by marko138

I'd reallly love a custom Vanson suit. And I own a pair of Icon gloves. I've had them for 3 seasons now. The build quality is not great. Velcro came unstitched from the wrist cuff. And they aren't terribly comfortable. But I will say this, they held up great in my get-off. No complaints about that. No busted seams and no spots where the leather wore through. So I can't fault their crashing ability.

These are what I have, Merc Long:

Yep I have a pair of those (short cuff $60) I wear with my Accelerant jacket. I had a strap break but they gave me new gloves. For the record, and we've had this fight before, I've also had Technic gloves fall apart (Technic said fuck you) and *GASP* a seam on a pair of $200 A* Gp Tech gloves fell apart after a couple months (btw A* was happy to replace them). I've also had very good results with their gloves in crashes.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Yep I have a pair of those (short cuff $60) I wear with my Accelerant jacket. I had a strap break but they gave me new gloves. For the record, and we've had this fight before, I've also had Technic gloves fall apart (Technic said fuck you) and *GASP* a seam on a pair of $200 A* Gp Tech gloves fell apart after a couple months (btw A* was happy to replace them). I've also had very good results with their gloves in crashes.

I've got Teknic leathers, held up in that same crash equally well.

[azoomm]

Sorry to break in with something on topic

Trackday tomorrow - it's supposed to be 105

Perfed leathers FTMFW

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by RACER X

whats your skin and piece of mind worth ?



overlay vs seams.....overlay sounds like it makes more sense, but then are so many dynamics in a crash. i'll take crash tested vs makes sense.

how are your riding boots made? w/ a high heel or low? whats it easier for women to walk in sandals or high heels, now add in an emergancy stop and having to plant your foot, and those boots are disaster waiting to happen. i'm of the better safe then sorry addage.



dunno who makes BMW gear/armor, my guess it's BMW. it does meet CE standards, does ICON ( i don't know.)

your skin your $, i'm not lookin to cheap out my gear. but thats me.

no made in china tag that i can find, no "made in" anywhere at a quick glance.

Hahaha well, I posted the boots as a joke at first (not this again!) but came to Icon's defense when all of their gear was termed as junk! There is no way that BMW has a motorcycle gear factory bro, anymore than they make their own hats, headlights, tires, brakes, etc. I'm on hold with BMW (1 800 831 1117) right now, apparently they don't know where it's made either! Oh I just got an answer. They do outsource to "several" different countries and companies.

BTW I think even you have to agree it's unfair of you to judge Icon when you yourself admits to knowing basically nothing about their products.

[Fleck750]

Icon hater bandwagon.

The armor in Icon jackets doesn't stay in place, the stitching is weak, also.

The mesh is so tight that it allows for little air flow. Rode in a thunderstorm last night, barely got wet. It's suppose to be MESH, not a rain suit.